Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 51

LUKE2447 · #**501** 07-10-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

I personally think it's a sin to eat anything that sits on the plate before you and stares back at you with beady eyes.

(or it should be)

I understand! God's original desire was for us to be vegetarians but he allowed SOME meats.

Rico · #**502** 07-10-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Rico, you use the silly argument that smoking is not listed as a sin in the Bible.

I'm showing you how silly your argument is.

Child pornography is not listed as a sin. The Bible is very clear about possessing our vessels in honor and staying away from sexual immorality. It also makes a pretty strong case against hurting innocent children. Any dingbat with half a brain would know that child pornography violates both those areas of the Bible.

Neither is abortion. The Bible says murder is a sin. The Bible also says the it's God who forms us in the womb. That makes an unborn child a legitimate life. Intentionally killing that life is a form of murder.

Cocaine. Unless someone is using it recreationally, there's nothing wrong with cocaine use. My position on this is no different than it is with marijuana. The coca plant serves a purpose and has a medicinal use. In fact, when you go to the dentist and he numbs your mouth with novacaine, he is using a form of cocaine. Nothing wrong with the proper use of cocaine, PP.

Marijuana.My position is the same as the above. If used for its intended purpose, there's nothing wrong with smoking it.

LSD.As far as I know, LSD has no use other than to get high and go on hallucinogenic trips. If it has a legitimate use I don't know about, then I don't see anything wrong with it in those circumstances.

Ecstasy.See my answer on LSD. I don't have the energy to look ecstasy or LSD up right now see if they have any legitimate uses. My guess is that LSD may have originally had some purpose other than for getting high, but I don't really know.

Are those things okay?

Is it a sin to use those substances? What I find so telling about your mindset is that you would consider nicotine as being in the same class as any of these other things you've mentioned. Smokers are now in the same group as child molesters, murderers, and hardcore drug abusers. Wonderful. I can't say that I am surprised though, given that ignorance and judgmentalism go hand in hand.

I anxiously await your response.

I decided to go ahead and answer your post tonight, before I go to bed. You need to know that, at this point, I really don't feel the need to continue going back and forth with you over this issue, but I decided to go ahead and answer this post anyway. I realize you are a pastor and probably one of those who thinks no one should question your word or dare to get in your face over anything, but to me you are no different than anyone else, and I call things like I see them. Anyway, the answers are in blue. Any other dumb questions for me to answer for you? If not, I bid thee good night.

Rico · #**503** 07-11-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Some say I'm bitter because of my past with the UPC. I'm not. However, I don't mince words about my perspectives and feelings concerning the UPC or the like. It's people *edited by Rico* which want to misconstrue the Bible in order to control them with fear and condemnation. They kill with their stinking Pharisseeism. Anyway, my last post/thread was deleted, so I thought I'd make mention of it here.

Good night...

At least you toned it down a bit. Just like I told you in your deleted thread, AG, you need to let God deliver you from this bitterness that has taken hold of you. You can say you aren't bitter, but it's plain to see. I realize you had a bad experience with the UPC, but the Church is not your enemy. Attack the attitude, not the individual. You won't be the first one to come along who has had bitterness issues over what has happened in your walk. Believe me, I've been there. I've been banned at least once from every apostolic forum I've been a member of over letting my anger and bitterness control me. It took some time for me to give that bitterness and anger to God. My suggestion is that you do the same. It isn't worth what happens to someone spiritually when bitterness becomes a driving force in their life. Find a constructive way of fighting against the injustice you see. For me that has been to mirror the attitude when I come against it, in the hopes that the other person will see what they look like. Whether successful in opening someone's eyes or not, it keeps me from letting bitterness find an inroad into my heart. Find what will work for you without causing you to lose your cool.

Admin, I edited his post and mine. Go ahead and delete it if you must. Y'all have a good night.

Jermyn Davidson · #**504** 07-11-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

I personally think it's a sin to eat anything that sits on the plate before you and stares back at you with beady eyes.

(or it should be)

If it could see you right before you ate it, I wonder what it would think?

Praxeas · #**505** 07-11-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Put more plainly, is it possible for a person who smokes/uses tobacco products to truly be a Christian? Is it possible for that person to be saved while still smoking/chewing/dipping? Why or why not?

Funny that AG asks a question, being a former UPC KNOWS what sort of answers he would get and as a result looses his cool and insults half the board. Talk about intolerant

Jermyn Davidson · #**506** 07-11-2008, 03:26 AM

maybe this is his way of dealing with his past and present issues. As for insults, he's not half as bad as some of these "Holy Ghost filled, fire baptized", folks hurling insults at each other.

mizpeh · #**507** 07-11-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

maybe this is his way of dealing with his past and present issues. As for insults, he's not half as bad as some of these "Holy Ghost filled, fire baptized", folks hurling insults at each other.

What did you do for church in Iraq?

This has nothing to do with your response above, I'm just wondering, that's all.

Theresa · #**508** 07-11-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

1 Cor 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Does destroy mean lost because tobacco products defile the temple of God.

so does overeating and not exercising..etc.

If you arent taking care of your physical body, you are defiling the temple of God. You cannot single out smokers

Anything we do that is unhealthy, is in reality defiling our bodies.....the Bible mentions gluttony specifically.

Pretty sad given how many obese folks there are in the world, especially the USA, and in our churches..

and honey, it all aint thyroid...

mizpeh · #**509** 07-11-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Theresa

so does overeating and not exercising..etc.

If you arent taking care of your physical body, you are defiling the temple of God. You cannot single out smokers

Anything we do that is unhealthy, is in reality defiling our bodies.....the Bible mentions gluttony specifically.

Pretty sad given how many obese folks there are in the world, especially the USA, and in our churches..

and honey, it all aint thyroid...

I'm not singling out smokers, but smoking is what this thread is about.

Funny you said that, I just had my thyroid removed 3 weeks ago. And as you read further in this thread you'll find I agree with you but I was trying to stay on the topic of smoking and hoping someone would address the scriptures I quoted instead of diverting to other things that defile the body.

Rico · #**510** 07-11-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not singling out smokers, but smoking is what this thread is about.

Funny you said that, I just had my thyroid removed 3 weeks ago. And as you read further in this thread you'll find I agree with you but I was trying to stay on the topic of smoking and hoping someone would address the scriptures I quoted instead of diverting to other things that defile the body.

Sister, I believe Aquila did a pretty good job of answering your question. I've read 1 Cor 3, and I really don't think he's talking about food or chemicals that enter our bodies in that chapter.