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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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Originally Posted by Ron
Pardon me to interject CC1 but the blessing of God can not be construed as
having the approval of God either in UPC, or non UPC Churches, or for that matter-The Catholic Church.
God's blessings are independent of his approval of us-just ask Job.
If it were that way, them it would be very easy to tell when one was out of the will, favour, and blessing of God.
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Pardon my ignorance. Can you please go back to Scotty's post about how he knows his church is right because of God's blessings and interpret for me what that was supposed to have meant?
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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Calling AOG trinitarians is not "lumping" them all together. The vast majority of AOG are trinitarians and it is their official doctrinal position as an organization. Good grief!
I think your statement about discerning between the blessings of God and worldly favor speaks for iteself. You obviously have not had much experience sitting in non Oneness non UPC churches and seeing that the presence of God is there many times and his blessings also. Does not mean they are correct on their Godhead doctrine but never the less it is extraordinary for you to think the work God does in those churches and the move of His Spirit is "worldly favor".
You just keep digging your hole deeper with each response.
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So then it is your position that one who believes in the Trinity can still be spiritualy blessed by God? Who do they pray to for this spiritual blessings? How can someone be doctrinally wrong and spiritually right?
that is were I have a problem with liberalism, there is no certain way its just like....whatever is right at that time and place for that person..I don't believe God is that wishywashy,
BTW . . . You asked for discussion, I am trying to discuss and now I'm digging hole.
And what about the rest of AoG? There are AoG not in the org. UPC is not the only org. with dismembered churches....So again I say , not all AoG's are trinies...
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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Pardon my ignorance. Can you please go back to Scotty's post about how he knows his church is right because of God's blessings and interpret for me what that was supposed to have meant?
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Are you serious????.....did I say my church is right for everyone? NO....
You just want to argue to point you are injecting things into what I am saying.
do I believe that Gods annointing on people is a pretty good sign that they are doing His will?? well duh!!
Yes . please read back through my post because CC1 obviously is playing it backwards......you know, its satanic when you play it backwards
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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03-06-2008, 02:34 PM
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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Yes . please read back through my post because CC1 obviously is playing it backwards......you know, its satanic when you play it backwards
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03-06-2008, 02:37 PM
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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Pardon my ignorance. Can you please go back to Scotty's post about how he knows his church is right because of God's blessings and interpret for me what that was supposed to have meant?
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Did you miss this part of that same post??
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Originally Posted by scotty
I have no doubt that others in other orgs are being blessed as well therefore I don't question or critic there beliefs. If thats the way they want to live and worship God then that is between them and God. To do as being done on here is just an enjoyment to argue.
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No, you just picked out what you wanted to and slammed it....is that really honest discussion there Brother CC?
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
gniksamkcab!!!!!!!
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03-06-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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gniksamkcab!!!!!!!
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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So then it is your position that one who believes in the Trinity can still be spiritualy blessed by God? Who do they pray to for this spiritual blessings? How can someone be doctrinally wrong and spiritually right?
that is were I have a problem with liberalism, there is no certain way its just like....whatever is right at that time and place for that person..I don't believe God is that wishywashy,
BTW . . . You asked for discussion, I am trying to discuss and now I'm digging hole.
And what about the rest of AoG? There are AoG not in the org. UPC is not the only org. with dismembered churches....So again I say , not all AoG's are trinies...
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So they never spoke in tongues? They never got the Holy Ghost? No healings? How could any of them find Oneness or baptism in Jesus name being so spiritually bankrupt?
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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So they never spoke in tongues? They never got the Holy Ghost? No healings? How could any of them find Oneness or baptism in Jesus name being so spiritually bankrupt?
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Good questions..
anybody got answers?
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
www.scottysweb.com
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Re: David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decis
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So then it is your position that one who believes in the Trinity can still be spiritualy blessed by God? Who do they pray to for this spiritual blessings? How can someone be doctrinally wrong and spiritually right?
that is were I have a problem with liberalism, there is no certain way its just like....whatever is right at that time and place for that person..I don't believe God is that wishywashy,
BTW . . . You asked for discussion, I am trying to discuss and now I'm digging hole.
And what about the rest of AoG? There are AoG not in the org. UPC is not the only org. with dismembered churches....So again I say , not all AoG's are trinies...
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Of course I believe that trinitarians can be blessed with God. They are monotheists just like you are and the bible does not say one must have pefect understanding or verbage regarding the Godhead to be blessed by God. It is a false accusation when Oneness folks say trinitarians believe in three gods. If you read the AOG or any other major trinitarian org.'s statement of faith they make it clear they believe in one God.
If you don't believe that God blesses and deals with trinitarians then you are a minority even among UPC and other Oneness people. Are you saying that you think when the Holy Spirit is moving in these churches and people are getting blessed, healed, transformed, etc that it is all false and not true? If so then you are indeed in a minority even among your own people.
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