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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Did we bathe, Pela? Vagabonds are often malodorous.

No, that's not it. I'm just noticing a pattern here...

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree. However what PastorD said was that he was told that he'd have to cross a brother's "dead body" to start another church in a city of over 1 million people. I was just pointing out that there are dozens of "cities" with over a million people. I didn't think we needed to hold PastorD to such strict definitions.

And keeping a preacher out of a city really comes down to the district board and the way it operates. There have been many men who were kept out of cities (metropolitan areas) because a local man had a little influence with the board and was afraid of competition. The west coast is especially known for this in the UPC.

I can't help but believe that these types of actions have been much more deleterious to the work of God than what org, fellowship, etc. is formed.

Hopefully the decentralization of power will lead to the removal of many long standing barriers to evangelization.

Though no claim to being an expert, I am fairly knowledgable about the politics of the west.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

I can't help but believe that these types of actions have been much more deleterious to the work of God than what org, fellowship, etc. is formed.

Hopefully the decentralization of power will lead to the removal of many long standing barriers to evangelization.

Though no claim to being an expert, I am fairly knowledgable about the politics of the west.

Where do you see decentralized power??? In this new org format???

Looks as bureaucratic as the Spanish Colonial empire ... as it's being presented now.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

I as well have heard of men who when told they could be a full Home Missionary with 1 yr support declined insisting they had to go to xx city. Where is their burden? Many churches open in towns of 40000-60000 and some are profitable with NO one to go. I heard of a church of over 200 that was open for over a year, and no one would go. Sad to say but some preachers have ego first and ambition in the drivers seat above burdens.

All other variables being equal, I'd take a church of 200 in "Hicksville" any day, over a large, loud and congested city full of the wrong kind of sports partisans.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Apostolic doctrine ... my whiny posting friend has not been ultimately defined by you or your radical cohorts. This doctrinal debate is not new, nor will it cease because you pontificate about a fictitious legacy, heritage, etc.

Get a grip on that ... before you bust a vein.

What's doctrinal about the new fellowship? I have not once attempted to define apostolic doctrine...my uninformed friend. You can speak of radical cohorts all you wish. Those like you who attack the apostolic doctrine have nothing new to say, you just revomit the old bile and bitterness you cannot rid yourselves of. I PONTIFICATED about a ficticious legacy??? I was referring to the legacy that you are leaving, pal. Are you calling your heritage ficticious?? My poor man.

My blood pressure is optimal, my pulse not even close to being excited. Don't give yourself more credit than you deserve.

[Jekyll]

Oh, and DA, quit whining about a deleted post. You edit your posts quite regularly to add more unintelligible drivel.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Oh, and DA, quit whining about a deleted post. You edit your posts quite regularly to add more drivel.

You need to start a Dan fan club .... I'll authorize it ... it can be official. Contact PP, I'm sure he'd join. Just offer him a position on the General Council.

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

I as well have heard of men who when told they could be a full Home Missionary with 1 yr support declined insisting they had to go to xx city. Where is their burden? Many churches open in towns of 40000-60000 and some are profitable with NO one to go. I heard of a church of over 200 that was open for over a year, and no one would go. Sad to say but some preachers have ego first and ambition in the drivers seat above burdens.

Whose burden is in question here? He who wants to start the church or the one that won't allow it to be?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You need to start a Dan fan club .... I'll authorize it ... it can be official. Contact PP, I'm sure he'd join. Just offer him a position on the General Council.

No need to squirm so loudly.

Really, I MUST learn your avoidance technique. You use it SO conveniently.

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Where do you see decentralized power??? In this new org format???

Looks as bureaucratic as the Spanish Colonial empire ... as it's being presented now.

Sorry, I know you are somewhat obsessed with this new group but there are other things going on.

At worst, with 2 orgs there would be opportunity for at least twice as many churches. Maybe this is the real "Decade to Double."

In reality everyone that is leaving is not going to the new org/fellowship and thus many are seeing opportunities that were not as clear under the old ways.