The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 50

SDG · #**491** 02-24-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

I don't really care when you consider a person a church member.

God calls you his when you believe and receive the word.

When a person comes to a realization that they cannot save themselves , that Christ is all sufficient savior. When they trust him fully for their salvation and forgiveness of sins. when they profess this faith to others and thru Godly sorrow for their past , they repent or turn from the direction of their before sinful life.

So yes, I believe the word is clear that they are His or in "the church" before they ever seek and receive the gift of tongues.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

Nahum · #**492** 02-24-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Disdain for an emphasis on the baptism of the HG ...? Please clarify ... I don't see any of that here ... has some one said it is not necessary????

I do see an honest discussion about some of those who seek to force-feed a a glorious and wonderful gift of empowerment and comfort.

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

Barb · #**493** 02-24-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Whew...glad I fit in category two. I'd hate to be labeled a backslider!!! I think Coonskinner was a tad harsh in his initial post, but I understand where he's coming from. Although he would probably put me and my husband in with his backslider list. Although I highly respect him, I'm glad he's not God.

I highly respect him, too, but I wouldn't label you that...no way!!

freeatlast · #**494** 02-24-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

I'll be glad to answer. I do not believe the bible teaches this.

Sherri · #**495** 02-24-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

I don't know how Daniel would answer, but I will tell you how I believe. I believe you are saved from hell when you leave the Kingdom of darkness and enter into the kingdom of His dear Son (genuine repentance). Then you are to be baptized in water to identify with the Body of Christ, and you need to receive the Holy Ghost to be able to live an overcoming life in this present world.

We had 48 receive the Holy Ghost last year; we definitely push it as necessary in your life. We do not make it a requirement for membership.

Felicity · #**496** 02-24-2007, 10:47 AM

Broad-brushing everyone with the "faith only" brush is extremely condescending and that more than anything is what makes me want to walk away from this kind of discussion.

It's a put-down, a direct one and an intentional one. "Faith only" people don't make baptism a requirement or Spirit baptism essential. Hello!

Makes me mad to be honest. Maybe it's time to start doing a little brushing myself.

SDG · #**497** 02-24-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll be glad to answer. I do not believe the bible teaches this.

Perhaps PP you haven't examined your own wording of the PCI view

preach repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling as necessary - but perhaps not necessary for salvation. They feel these things should be fulfilled to ensure obedience, or to enhance the believers life.

PP ... what is really going on here is an attempt to polarize/ or unite the Apostolic family under the "Acts 2:38" banner .... even MA was keen enough to pick up on this ... notice how he carefully crafted his support for TV evangelism by rallying the cry.

SDG · #**498** 02-24-2007, 10:49 AM

Oh ...by the way ....I'm with free at last and Sherri, PP

freeatlast · #**499** 02-24-2007, 10:50 AM

I believe in the Acts message.

Acts 13:39 and by Him ALL that believe are justified from all things...

OneAccord · #**500** 02-24-2007, 10:50 AM

A person attends a UPC church and hears, and reponds to, the Gospel and repents of their sins and is to be baptized on Sunday. He is tragically killed in a car accident on Friday night. He he lost?

A woman repents of her sins in an ALJC church and is baptized according to Acts 2:38. She has not yet recieved the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Is she lost?

A man repents and is baptized according to Acts 2:38, and recieves the baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues, but believe that forgiveness of sins in obtained through repentance. Is he lost?

They say silence is golden. But its also a form of deception. If you believe these persons are lost, then say it. We take pride in the fact that we are bold and secure in our beliefs. Are these people lost?

My answer? No, No. No.