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Old 08-13-2014, 01:46 PM
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Please elaborate when you get a chance...Im all ears(figuratively speaking)...LOL
Still putting it together, but I will try to elaborate more later.
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Re: Tithing…Is it a command?

Russel Kelly on first fruits.

Point #9: First-Fruits: First-fruits are Not the Same as Tithes. (Chapter 1)

The false assumption is that tithes are first-fruits.

The first-fruit was a very small token amount of the first crop harvest and the first-born was the first offspring of animals. First-fruits and first-born could only come from inside God’s holy land of Israel.

The first-fruit was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deu 26:1-10; Lev 23:17; Num 18:13-17; Neh 12:44; 2 Chron 31:5a).

First-fruits and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple (Neh 10:35-37a; Ex 23:19; 34:26; Deu 18:4).The whole Levitical tithe went first to the Levitical cities and portions went to the Temple to feed both Levites and priests who were ministering there in rotation (Neh 10:37b-39; 12:27-29, 44-47; Num 18:21-28; 2 Chron 31:5b). While the Levites ate only the tithe, the priests could also eat from the first-fruits, first-born offerings and other offerings.
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Too many times we gloss over true study of subjects in scripture because we tend to let the so called man of God tell us what the word says.
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Re: Tithing…Is it a command?

I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.
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I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.


Brother, many folks these days that attend church do not tithe. The 'man of God' just marginalizes them until he can fleece them out of their livelihood. He is no more of a Man of God than the next teacher of false doctrine. Men of God dont lie to the congregation. I would say he is just a more educated EQUAL to the rest of the saints. If he will shed this and any other false doctrines, like TITHING, GAP THEORY, PARTIAL LAW FOR THE SAINTS, USING COUNTERFEIT BIBLES(the latest translations with ENTIRE missing passages) or ANGEL BABIES(women having sex with demons resulting in giants) of Genesis etc. etc., he can actually become an official elder to the church. I will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
Brother, If you dont mind having to plug your ears from time to time and choose blind obedience...well, to each his own.


How a man lives AND what he teaches gives him the "man of God" status...

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I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.
The early church was overseen by a plurality of elders. We are accountable to each other. The role of pastor is a position of servant-hood, not a high priest or a surrogate/pope.

Not against buildings here.

I don't know anyone who is against someone tithing their money. You know it is about twisting scripture out of context and scaring people into submission--pay up or reap horror in your lives.

UT they are telling the sick, and dieing to pay up. You see anything wrong with that?
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Brother, many folks these days that attend church do not tithe. The 'man of God' just marginalizes them until he can fleece them out of their livelihood. He is no more of a Man of God than the next teacher of false doctrine. Men of God dont lie to the congregation. I would say he is just a more educated EQUAL to the rest of the saints. If he will shed this and any other false doctrines, like TITHING, GAP THEORY, PARTIAL LAW FOR THE SAINTS, USING COUNTERFEIT BIBLES(the latest translations with ENTIRE missing passages) or ANGEL BABIES(women having sex with demons resulting in giants) of Genesis etc. etc., he can actually become an official elder to the church. I will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
Brother, If you dont mind having to plug your ears from time to time and choose blind obedience...well, to each his own.


How a man lives AND what he teaches gives him the "man of God" status...
WOW I am amazed at how you have all the perfect doctrines.
I must bow down to your superior knowledge of the scriptures.
All your doctrines are pristine clear and true, how did I not see it before.

I too will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
please allow me to become your disciple and learn the total truth from your wise lips.
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Well, If you teach the junk I mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...
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Re: Tithing…Is it a command?

One of the examples of false bibles they use...

The NIV leaves out 16 entire New Testament verses!


1. Matthew 17:21: "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

2. Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

3. Matthew 23:14: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

4. Mark 7:16: "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

5. Mark 9:44: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

6. Mark 9:46: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

7. Mark 11:26: "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

8. Mark 15:28: "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."

9. Luke 17:36: "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

10. John 5:4: "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

11. Acts 8:37: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

12. Acts 15:34: "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."

13. Acts 24:7: "But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"

14. Acts 28:29: "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

15. Romans 16:24: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

16. I John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."



Missing and Incorrectly Translated Verses in The NIV

Matthew 6:13b
Here the NIV omits an important part of the "Lord's Prayer, “For Thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory for ever, Amen.”

Matthew 8:29
NIV translators omitted the name, "Jesus,” thou Son of God.

Matthew 17:21
The NIV omits verse 21.(This verse is in the original Greek manuscripts.) Did some of the translators of the NIV not believe in prayer and fasting?

Matthew 19:17
This verse should be stated correctly as, as in the KJV “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God:”

Matthew 23:14
The NIV omitted this verse completely. Some of the translators of the NIV evidently did not like the word “damnation.”

Matthew 23:23
The word “faith” and the word “faithfulness” do not mean the same. The KJV of the Bible says, “By faith we are saved,” not by “faithfulness. The book of Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."


Mark 9:29
The NIV omitted “fasting.” Our Lord Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights.

Mark 13:33
The KJV says, “Watch and Pray.” It is not the same as “be on guard! Be alert!” as translated in the NIV

Mark 15:28
This verse was omitted from the NIV. This is a very important verse, as it is part of a prophecy from the book of Isaiah 53:12b in the Old Testament.

Luke 4:4
Words omitted in this verse, “but by every Word of God.” (This is one of the most important verses in the Bible) See Deuteronomy 8:3b NIV "man does not live by bread alone."

Luke 4:8
"Get thee behind me Satan," in the KJV. Why did the NIV translators not put these words in?

Luke 6:40
“Perfect" is not the same as “fully trained," as stated in the NIV. Jesus wants us to be perfect in Him, not “fully trained.”

Luke 5:20
Jesus did not call the sinner “friend,” as translated in the NIV. He called him, “man,” as translated in the KJV

Luke 11:2-4
When we pray the Lord’s Prayer, we pray “Our Father which art in Heaven"
The NIV omitted the words “Our” and only mentions “Father.” Are they referring to another father?
In addition, “deliver us from evil” was omitted in verse 4 by the NIV translators. Did they not see a need for deliverance?

Luke 12:31
Here again the NIV omits these important words. It should say “The kingdom of God.” The NIV says, “his kingdom.” To which kingdom are they referring?

Luke 21:19
“Patience” is a gift of the Holy Spirit -- “Standing firm” is not the same.

John 4:42
The NIV omitted the “Christ” which means “Anointed One.”

John 9:35
In this particular verse, It should be “Son of God” and not, “son of man,” as the NIV translates it.


John 6:47
NIV says, “he who believes.” Should be, “He who believes on me has everlasting life.”


Acts 10:30
(NIV omitted “fasting.” Fasting is powerful for seeing answers to our needs.

Acts 8:37
NIV omitted this entire verse The KJV "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." This scripture is vital to the message of the good news of Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:30
NIV omitted the word “fasting” – fasting is powerful for seeing needs being met.

Acts 22:16
NIV says “Calling on his name.”
KJV says “The Name of the Lord.”

Romans 11:6
The NIV is not very clear on this verse and the KJV explains “Grace and Works.” The NIV omits, ”But if it be of works, then it is no more grace.”

1 Corinthians 14:2
Two errors are in this verse. Firstly, it should read, “unknown tongue” and secondly it is by “the Spirit” (Holy Spirit) and not the spirit of man as in the NIV. Speaking in tongues is not by man’s understanding of the “unknown tongue.” The spirit of man has nothing to do with the “unknown tongue.”

11 Corinthians 7:4
KJV says, “boldness of speech.”NIV says, “I have great confidence in you.”

11 Corinthians 10:5
KJV “Casting down imaginations” is correct. NIV says, “demolish arguments.”


Galatians 5:22
The NIV translators used the word “faithfulness” in place of the word ”faith.” We are saved by faith and not by being faithful

Galatians 6:15
NIV omits “for in Christ Jesus” in this verse.

Ephesians 3:9
NIV omitted “created all things by Jesus Christ.” Revelation 22:19 warns us about taking away from the Word of God.

Ephesians 3:14
KJV says, “I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
NIV says, “I kneel before the Father.” (Which father are they talking about?)

Philippians 3:21
KJV says, “Vile bodies.” NIV says, “lowly bodies.” These words have different meanings. Vile means sinful and lowly means humble.

Ephesians 5:9
KJV says “Fruit of the Spirit.” NIV says, “Fruit of the light.”

Philippians 4:13
KJV says, “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.” NIV says, “I can do everything through him.”(Who are they talking about here?)

Colossians 1:2
The NIV omitted, “and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Colossians 2: 18
The NIV says, “What he has seen.” The KJV says, “Things he hath not seen.” A careless translation.

1 Timothy 2: 7
KJV says, “Truth in Christ.” NIV says, “Truth.” (There is only truth in Christ)

1 Timothy 3:16
NIV says “He appeared in a body.” The KJV says, “God was manifest in the flesh.”

2 Timothy 3:17
KJV says, “That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
NIV says, “So that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
(A soldier can be equipped for warfare, but not perfect. Only Christ brings perfection.)


Hebrews 3:6
We are “rejoicing” and not “boasting” as translated in the NIV

Hebrews 3:18
KJV says, “To them that believed not.” NIV says, “ Not to those who disobeyed.”

Hebrews 4:12
KJV says, “The Word is quick and powerful,” not as in the NIV “quick and active.” One can be active without being powerful. It is the “Power of God,” that sets us free, not “activity.”

Hebrews 13:21
Should be “make you perfect” (KJV) not “equip” you as in the NIV, There is a vast difference. (See comments on 2 Tim 3:17)

I Peter 1:22
Should be “with a pure heart” as in KJV not just heart, NIV everyone has a heart, but only Gods children have pure hearts.

1 Peter 2:2
“Milk of the Word” is correct and easy to understand even for a child, but what does the NIV mean by spiritual milk? The emphasis should be on the Word of God, and not on milk.

2 Peter 1:21
Should be “holy men,” that is men touched by the Holy Spirit, and not “men” as translated in the NIV.

1 John 5:13
The NIV left out the last part of this verse which is important and reads, “and that ye may believe on the Name of the Son of God.”

Jude 1
The NIV left out the word "sanctified." We are sinners who are sanctified ( cleansed by the blood of Jesus, when He paid for our sins with his precious blood).

Revelation 1:11
The NIV omitted the very important words, “I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.” This is the Name ascribed to Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:24
The nations “which are saved” in the KJV, and not just "the nations" as the NIV says, we need to be saved, born again of the Spirit of God.

There are many more verses in both the New Testament as well as the Old Testament, which are in error in the NIV. Added words, deleted words, changed the meaning or completely left out whole verses, The Lord warns against this practice in the book of Revelation 22:18-19.

Now lets look at some verses in the Old Testament, keeping in mind that not all the books in the NIV are in error. Many translators worked on the NIV; some were sincere, others were used by the devil to corrupt the Word of God.

Isaiah 14:12-15
Here the NIV drops the name, ” Lucifer," which is another name for the devil and replaces it with “Morning Star” in place of "son of the morning" as in the KJV. Jesus is referred to as "Morning Star" as in the book of Revelation 22:16.
The translators make it sound like our Lord Jesus fell from grace, and not Satan, the devil. The devil was cast out of heaven because of pride.

Exodus 6:3
The word “Jehovah” was replaced with the word ”Lord” in the NIV, this is incorrect, because of the following reason. The name “Jehovah” also known as “Yahweh” is a Name by which God is worshiped as the ”Self-Existent One;” One who reveals himself through his creation. In this instance the name ” Lord” would not have done justice to the greatness of God. There are also people who are called Lord. The title ”Lord” in this instance does not speak of the greatness of God.

Proverbs 8:18
"Righteousness" is correct as in the KJV, not "prosperity" as translated in the NIV. A person can be prosperous without being righteous, the world can make us prosperous but it can never make us righteous (in right standing with God: this only comes from Him).

Jeremiah 29:11
Here the NIV replaces the word “Peace” with "prosperity." We can be prosperous without having peace, God is not against His children prospering, but we need to keep the verses in context.

Daniel 3:25
The NIV misses the mark completely here by saying, “the fourth looks like the son of the gods.” "The Son of God," as translated in the KJV, and not “the gods,” as translated in the NIV.
Some of the translators of the NIV have tried to make the Word of God acceptable to all religions. The Word of God cannot be changed to accommodate man, man needs to conform to the Word of God.

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Well, If you teach the junk You mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...

Hey what do you know, the cut and paste function is useful after all.
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