Anyone have recommendations for a good church in the Phoenix area? One that won't be too hard on a woman who feels half-naked when she puts on a dress (i.e., backslider who is much more comfortable in slacks)?
Morningstar Apostolic Church in Gilbert, pastored by Daniel Lizzarraga. Not UPC, but an awesome Apostolic church, and very moderate/conservative.
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Thats why we will be living somewhere in the East valley in a few short months! In fact, we will be there the first weekend of Jan to do some serious house hunting. Coming from Wisconsin, we think it is beautiful there! ESPECIALLY the desert!
I agree that it is beautiful... not because I am a snowbird but because I enjoy the occasional ruining of a good stroll.
BTW... someone is posting some good info on Thad's tab that I think was intended for this thread.
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Wouldn't recommend Hudson's. Wouldn't say it's progressive. Went there a couple years. Some major problems. Most progressive are Endris (Tempe), Rob Bibb (Phx) and I think Wylie is pretty good.
Bro. Hogan is a good Supt. He's conservative - but not hard nose. He's kind.
Every district has it's problems because it's made up of men. AZ is a little more difficult, I'll agree. I've heard more than one say they were going to retire to AZ, but there's too much division in the District. Too bad we can't unite together to win souls instead of bickering on which standards are right.
I think there is some one else who also posted Phoenix church info in another thread in Thads Tab.
Let's see, I live in that part of the Valley where the dominant religion is a Utah import...that'd be Mesa.
I met Tommy Hudson once... I believe he pastors in Mesa? He was a wonderful person, very kind hearted. Place for everyone in the body kind of person. His wife as well. When they were here they had a huge heart for evangelism.
I can't speak as though I know them personally but I was impressed with them when I met them.
There are faults every where, in every church, in every pastor.
Concerning Tithes and preaching on giving... if a person doesn't preach on tithing continually, but I just happened in to a service where they were... I would not judge that church by the one sermon. Just my opinion. If teaching and preaching on giving makes a person uncomfortable... well, I'm not judging at all.. but it shouldn't make anyone uncomfortable (saved person that is... sinners it would more than likely not be a comfortable topic...) The Lord Loveth a cheerful giver. It's part of being a Christian.. and every thing needs to be spoke on once in a while.
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I met Tommy Hudson once... I believe he pastors in Mesa? He was a wonderful person, very kind hearted. Place for everyone in the body kind of person. His wife as well. When they were here they had a huge heart for evangelism.
I can't speak as though I know them personally but I was impressed with them when I met them.
There are faults every where, in every church, in every pastor.
Concerning Tithes and preaching on giving... if a person doesn't preach on tithing continually, but I just happened in to a service where they were... I would not judge that church by the one sermon. Just my opinion. If teaching and preaching on giving makes a person uncomfortable... well, I'm not judging at all.. but it shouldn't make anyone uncomfortable (saved person that is... sinners it would more than likely not be a comfortable topic...) The Lord Loveth a cheerful giver. It's part of being a Christian.. and every thing needs to be spoke on once in a while.
I know TH. I went to his church for several years. Infact I was his youth pastor for a couple of years. He has always been kind to me except on one occasion. But as you said there are problems in every church. I have been told stories from generations ago and the problems they seem to have, seem to keep resurfacing. It seems as if some of the problems are caused by them. I know some other things about some other situations and I stopped going there because of some of it. Some of my family still goes there and they love it and will stay mostlikley forever. There are worse churches to go to. Several years ago Sis JH wrote a book 'Dividing to Multiply' it seems af is they divide the church often. I have seen it a couple of times in several years. The first 'split' was not all on them. The second was mainly them. I love them and wish them well. I still visit on occasion during the evening services. But I could not continue to go there because of some things. BUT they do love people. They love everyone and will love you more if you choose their side on every situation. I can only say it is very interesting there.
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I know that this is an old thread, but I seldom get on here so I thought I would address some of the things on here.
1. In my book Rob Bibb is pretty liberal....especially according to most of the Arizona District direction. 2. CC1 ...you are full of bologna...Az is one of the most beautiful and Diverse states in the Union, canyons, rivers, mountains, forest you name it we have got it...well except for oceanfront property.3. Wilkins, Franks, Myers, are independent, conservative GOOD men who would treat anyone right, I would recomend thier churches without reservation. (Greg are you reading this...give me a call)
4. Chaotic Resolve...have you ever considered Bro Hudsons church?...a very loving and intimate atmosphere.
I was speaking about the Phoenix area. I have only been to Phoenix and Scottsdale. God would have to appear to me in a burning bush or some other similar form and tell me directly to move there or I would die before I would consider the Phoenix area a place to live.
Thank heavens different folks have different taste so pretty much the entire United States is populated! LOL!! I just personally found the Phoenix area desolate and depressing except for the resorts in Scottsdale and a few other places artificially improved through irrigation.
Givem me hills, mountains, green fields, streams, etc any day over what I saw. (yes I know there are hills there).
I know that this is an old thread, but I seldom get on here so I thought I would address some of the things on here.
1. In my book Rob Bibb is pretty liberal....especially according to most of the Arizona District direction.
2. CC1 ...you are full of bologna...Az is one of the most beautiful and Diverse states in the Union, canyons, rivers, mountains, forest you name it we have got it...well except for oceanfront property.
3. Wilkins, Franks, Myers, are independent, conservative GOOD men who would treat anyone right, I would recomend thier churches without reservation. (Greg are you reading this...give me a call)
4. Chaotic Resolve...have you ever considered Bro Hudsons church?...a very loving and intimate atmosphere.
A few years ago they were even trying to sell oceanfront property in Yumawhen they thought California was going to fall off during a big earthquake.
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