Talk about Inconsistencies!!!!

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

oh give me a break...

Nor was there a rule about not being able to go to a sporting event... or participate in high school athletics...

so don't give me that nonsense...

I would be very careful making certain statements about what was not taught and what was taught, unless you have studied church history enough to know. According to the writings of many "Post Apostolic Fathers" they taught explicitly about abstaining from shows, and other forms of entertainment.

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

tell that to Paul who went to Jerusalem and got permission to preach to the Gentiles that they didn't have to follow the law (with 4 exceptions)....

Seriously, this "rule-making" thing that we hold so dear in the modern world jsut didn't exist in the Antioch-based church in the 1st century (it did exist in the Jerusalem church... which lost, BTW and was basically gone once Jerusalem got sacked by Rome multiple times in the late 1st, early 2nd centuries)

Did someone teach you this, or is this all you read/choose to read?

I'm not in reference to the Jewish Law, in case you struggle.

Your 4 exceptions were simply initial requirements. Milky guidelines for babes so to speak. (Did the gentiles not struggle even with these?) The Apostles (Paul especially) taught a great deal more than that as time went on, but that would require some reading to know...seriously.

Originally Posted by bdlooney

The passing of Resolution #4 has caused the UPC to be inconsistent with their stance. So we can now advertise our churches and minstries on TV but we can't own one. We can now run a 30 minute infomercial that is still defined as advertisement but it allows us to include some of our choir singing, some of our preacher preaching, some of our life-changing altar calls and an invitation to the church. But this is NOT ministry on tv it is advertising.

Good or bad is not the goal nor intent of this thread but merely to bring to light an inconsistnecy.

Mark my words, It may not be next year nor the next but television will soon be allowed officially in our manuals. This is only the foothold.

What are your thoughts? Is it coming down that dusty road? And if it is coming is it bringing compromise on other "standards?"

Newsflash Looney!
It does not have to be advertising anymore...they voted that down....it was voted in and PASSED as written which strikes down the ban of advertising and Ministry!

SO...I see no inconsistencies here....

Originally Posted by bdlooney

"Hidden" may not the correct word but everyone that voted for this resolution had to know that this would be the first step in eventually removing the tv prohibition from the manual. Surely the progression is clear.

Thank God.

Originally Posted by bishoph

I would be very careful making certain statements about what was not taught and what was taught, unless you have studied church history enough to know. According to the writings of many "Post Apostolic Fathers" they taught explicitly about abstaining from shows, and other forms of entertainment.

You are correct...I kind of thought it would be nice if he learned it for himself. More effective that way sometimes, especially with those that have revealed to us how they really feel about having a standard, howbeit accidentally. Give a liberal an 'inch' TV rez and he's frothing for a mile of anarchy.

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

lol

So you think Paul wore pants and the women of that day wore skirts??? Really??

come on, Theophilus, make a stand, SAY IT!

Did Paul wear pants or not?? And if not, how can you possibly say that we shouldn't change with the culture around us??

Paul preferred Levi 550s. Is that what you want to hear?

The principles in dress can be accomplished per the times without becoming of the times.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

"Hidden" may not the correct word but everyone that voted for this resolution had to know that this would be the first step in eventually removing the tv prohibition from the manual. Surely the progression is clear.

It should be removed from the manual, TV is pervasive in our culture, godly people must live godly in this present world. A godly person will be godly in their use of modern technology, therefore you should preach the Word and let the HG define its application in the lives of the hearers. What part of "being led of the Spirit" do we not understand?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

The passing of Resolution #4 has caused the UPC to be inconsistent with their stance. So we can now advertise our churches and minstries on TV but we can't own one. We can now run a 30 minute infomercial that is still defined as advertisement but it allows us to include some of our choir singing, some of our preacher preaching, some of our life-changing altar calls and an invitation to the church. But this is NOT ministry on tv it is advertising.

Good or bad is not the goal nor intent of this thread but merely to bring to light an inconsistnecy.

Mark my words, It may not be next year nor the next but television will soon be allowed officially in our manuals. This is only the foothold.

What are your thoughts? Is it coming down that dusty road? And if it is coming is it bringing compromise on other "standards?"

Can someone site the actual AOF that says we can't own a TV? Seems to me when they ok'd VCRs that was a tacit approval of owning a TV without actually oking watching broadcasts

[Praxeas]

What I find amazing......other churches and orgs have no TV restrictions and yet they continue to grow.

Does Joel Osteen preach against TV? Are those 20k people all home on a Sunday watching TV?

We need to take a stand against immorality, not electronic mediums. We should be resolved to preach against immorality in all medias including the Internet and cease not to remind them to abstain from such, rather than legislating such absurd contradictions like "TV bad, Internet good"

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What I find amazing......other churches and orgs have no TV restrictions and yet they continue to grow.

Does Joel Osteen preach against TV? Are those 20k people all home on a Sunday watching TV?

We need to take a stand against immorality, not electronic mediums. We should be resolved to preach against immorality in all medias including the Internet and cease not to remind them to abstain from such, rather than legislating such absurd contradictions like "TV bad, Internet good"

Good points Prax. I wonder also, will we be a voice speaking out now against some of the specific abuses that exist on television?

There is one org that controls a virtual monopoly on "Christian Television" and they've been giving Pentecostals a runny, smeared and mascara stained black eye for years. Can we some how be a "light" there?

Can our voices now be legitimately raised against the depravities, perverse political agendas and other cultural rot that has been infecting our neighbors for years? I think the country really wants to hear our message- if we say it right. There's a lot that the Apostolic movement has to offer that can benefit "Christiandom" and America in general.