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Old 08-22-2007, 06:40 PM
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It is the difference between being baptized in a river versus a lake..... (and yes, I know there are SOME who actually have an opinion on this).

Razor. Scissors. Biting off with the teeth. To try to make a case that the WAY Samson's hair was cut makes a difference, is to rapidly descend into turmoil and confusion where there should not be any.
Good point! Was wondering the same thing.

(Opinions on river vs lake? You have got to be kidding!!)
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You haven't heard THAT raging debate before?
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I can say it is an abomination thus God does not have an abominable nature. Everthing came from God. Homosexuallity is perverse thus it is not in God's nature. IMO
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Did you see the thread, quite some time ago, about whether God is actually male?
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You haven't heard THAT raging debate before?
No! I bet it was very entertaining!
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Thanks.

Did you see the thread, quite some time ago, about whether God is actually male?
I didn't, but He is...Jesus.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:57 PM
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From glowing bouncy hair to homosexuality.

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Old 08-22-2007, 07:05 PM
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If you observe an older man who has no hair, does he look unnatural or just like an old bald man?
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(no offense to you testosterone-fueled chrome domes out there)

If you observe a woman who has no hair, it looks unnatural. Your first thoughts are along the lines of 'burn victim' or 'chemotherapy.' And her first thoughts are to get to the wig store.

It is in a woman's nature to care for and attractively arrange her hair.

It is in a man's nature to ignore his hair, or keep it out of his way.

It is unnatural for a man to consider his hair to be an important part of his public presentation of himself. Most men look at Grandpa and realize that they had better not become too emotionally involved with whatever little hair their creator has been bestowed upon their heads, for this, too, shall pass.

From the dawn of time militaries have recognized the disadvantage of long hair in combat, and have proscribed short hair on soldiers.

In many cultures, men with carefully arranged or longer hair are/were prostitutes, homosexual, or both.
Actually, no to both statements.

In most ancient cultures the warriors would let their hair and beards grow uncut until the fighting season was over (wars were usually fought on a seasonal basis).

The Nazarite vow in ancient Israel was for holy warriors. The warriors would let their "locks" grow until the campaigning season was over. This is why we read of Absalom getting his hair "polled" just once a year. Judges 5:2 (the Song of Deborah) starts with the memorable phrase, "When locks hung loose in Israel..." though the KJV tidies that up.

Paul appears to have taken a Nazarite vow at one point and then presented himself with a cleanly shaven head at the temple in Jerusalem.

The Philistines famously wore their long hair into battle mixed with lime to appear as if they had feathered headdresses on. Their Celtic cousins (a relationship based upon the reasoning that the Philistines and "Sea Peoples" were a part of the same Dorian migrations that placed the Celtic Galatians into Anatolia) similarly wore their long hair stiffened with lime.

Samurai, Korean (Cho-sun) and Han warriors were all known for the "Que" or long ponytail that they wore (though the Samurai wore a different style and called it something else). Greeks all the way into the Hellenistic Age boasted of their fine 'dos anointed with olive oil. The Indian Vedic warriors all sported long hair. For Native Americans, the sign that a man was "truly a man" was his long hair.

During the American Civil War many if not most of the Confederate troops would not cut their hair as long as they were in battle. In parts of Missouri and other border states, even today, someone with long hair is said to have "Bushwacker curls." The Bushwackers were the irregular cavalry that raided Union sympathizes and troops in that part of the country.

The close cropped hair and clean shaven faces that we see in many of today's militaries was a Roman innovation. In fact, the Muslim Mujahedeen deliberately grow their beards and hair when in battle so as to not look like Romans or Westerners.

I know of just 2 religious organizations that require their clergy to wear short hair and clean shaven faces: the Roman Catholic Church and the UPCI. In the case of the Roman Church, it's actually been spelled out since the time immediately following Gregory the Great that as a "sign of submission" to the Pope, all Catholic clergy are to be clean shaven (see the article on Beards in the Catholic Encyclopedia). Catholic clergy who sport beards today (mostly "liberation theology" proponents and other "radicals") do so to show that they are deliberately rebelling against Rome.

** Added - I have forgotten to mention how that Luther and Calvin and their followers grew beards to show their break from the Roman Catholic Church. Sporting a beard was a sign that a clergyman had made the life threatening decision to preach the "Evangelical Gospel."

The clergy in the Eastern Churches purposefully wear longer hair and beards to show two things: 1) That they are in fact practicing the more ancient custom, and 2) That they are not under submission to the Bishop of Rome.

For the record, and to my knowledge, I was the first person with a beard ever to be approved for a UPC license. I may be wrong about that - does anyone know of any others? I know of a Spanish pastor who had a mustache when he joined the UPC but later shaved that off as a sign of "submission" to the heirarchy.
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A follow up with more examples of "long haired" warriors and men: The men of the Sikh faith (and all of the men are considered a "warrior") don't ever cut their hair and carry knives with them at all times. To cut your hair and be found without your knife (theirs is actually a type of short sword) is considered to be unmanly. The TSA has made special exemptions for the Sikhs to carry their personal cutlery onboard aircraft since all of the new security restrictions post-9/11. When I fly, I look for a Sikh because other than air marshals the Sikhs are the only ones who can defend themselves and other passengers.

I would suggest that you not refer to one of these peaceful warriors as "prostitutes, homosexual, or both." Their manhood and personal honor is as sacred to them as their faith. And again, the men never cut their hair.
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[For the record, and to my knowledge, I was the first person with a beard ever to be approved for a UPC license.
So are are my black brother!!!

I know several black men who are licensed with the UPCI and they have facial hair, but I have yet to meet one white brother licensed with facial hair!

My ex was clean shaven (he wasn't licensed, to clarify) but when he quit teaching SS, he grew a goatee.

The pastor said something to him about it and my ex said, 'Brother, the Bible says nothing about having facial hair,' to which the pastor replied, 'No, but it makes you look like a Trinitarian!'

I wondered why that pastor saw Jesus and the other men of the Bible as looking like Trinitarians just because they had facial hair............
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A follow up with more examples of "long haired" warriors and men: The men of the Sikh faith (and all of the men are considered a "warrior") don't ever cut their hair and carry knives with them at all times. To cut your hair and be found without your knife (theirs is actually a type of short sword) is considered to be unmanly. The TSA has made special exemptions for the Sikhs to carry their personal cutlery onboard aircraft since all of the new security restrictions post-9/11. When I fly, I look for a Sikh because other than air marshals the Sikhs are the only ones who can defend themselves and other passengers.

I would suggest that you not refer to one of these peaceful warriors as "prostitutes, homosexual, or both." Their manhood and personal honor is as sacred to them as their faith. And again, the men never cut their hair.

Good point on your history!
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