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07-16-2007, 11:13 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Um ... who's words is Eddie quoting when he is baptizing??? ... but some would like to silence Him ... because of a 90 year old feud. ...
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What do you mean "because of a 90 year old feud"?
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07-16-2007, 11:15 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
But you said when he was in the UPC he did not believe baptism was essential even in those days didn't you?
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Lots of Oneness Apostolic Pentecostals, both in and out of the UPC, do not believe water baptism is essential.
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07-16-2007, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
What do you mean "because of a 90 year old feud"?
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Some OPs live in such stark hatred of Trinitarians .... and vice versa ... that any type of Oneness or Trinitarian language in the liturgy .... drives them so insane .... they don't even know what they are saying ...
ie .... such as quoting the bible during a baptism is mud
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07-16-2007, 11:18 PM
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Psalms 132:1
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The PERFECT baptism formula...
Upon the profession of your faith I now baptize you in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Prince of Peace, Lamb, Alpha, Omega, Prince of Peace, Lily of the Valley, I Am that I Am, The Judge of All The World, High Priest, The Sacrifice, The Light, Merciful God, Savior, Root of David, The Scepter, Lord, the Advocate, the Almighty God, Ancient of Days, Blessed and only Potentate, Bread of Life, Faithful Witness, Father of Lights, Counselor, God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, Emmanuel, King, Master, King of the Jews, The Mighty God, Deliever, etc. etc. etc....
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I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ.
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07-16-2007, 11:19 PM
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Not riding the train
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Paths
The PERFECT baptism formula...
Upon the profession of your faith I now baptize you in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Prince of Peace, Lamb, Alpha, Omega, Prince of Peace, Lily of the Valley, I Am that I Am, The Judge of All The World, High Priest, The Sacrifice, The Light, Merciful God, Savior, Root of David, The Scepter, Lord, the Advocate, the Almighty God, Ancient of Days, Blessed and only Potentate, Bread of Life, Faithful Witness, Father of Lights, Counselor, God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, Emmanuel, King, Master, King of the Jews, The Mighty God, Deliever, etc. etc. etc....
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I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ.
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I'm fine with the first one as long as you are not saying it while they are under the water. When the feet stop kicking it's time to check on the candidate. 
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07-16-2007, 11:20 PM
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Christmas 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Paths
The PERFECT baptism formula...
Upon the profession of your faith I now baptize you in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Prince of Peace, Lamb, Alpha, Omega, Prince of Peace, Lily of the Valley, I Am that I Am, The Judge of All The World, High Priest, The Sacrifice, The Light, Merciful God, Savior, Root of David, The Scepter, Lord, the Advocate, the Almighty God, Ancient of Days, Blessed and only Potentate, Bread of Life, Faithful Witness, Father of Lights, Counselor, God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, Emmanuel, King, Master, King of the Jews, The Mighty God, Deliever, etc. etc. etc....
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I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Hey, if you would say all that stuff, and then put them under in the name of Jesus, I think it would be fine.
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07-16-2007, 11:21 PM
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No matter how you slice it or dice it ... the baptism mode ... offered by Sherri is still a Jesus name baptism ... any grammarian will tell you that .... The baptizer could read the lineage of David ... and end as this mode indicates:
I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."
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07-16-2007, 11:24 PM
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Psalms 132:1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherri
Hey, if you would say all that stuff, and then put them under in the name of Jesus, I think it would be fine. |
Naw I will just stick to the way the Apostles did it...
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Acts 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
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Acts 10:48-11:1
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
KJV
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07-16-2007, 11:28 PM
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Christmas 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Paths
Naw I will just stick to the way the Apostles did it...
Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
KJV
Acts 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
KJV
Acts 10:48-11:1
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
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Well, in case you didn't notice, there were three different wordings in those four scriptures. What do you do with that????
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07-17-2007, 12:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherri
Well, in case you didn't notice, there were three different wordings in those four scriptures. What do you do with that???? |
The mode offered by Sherri, after quoting Matthew 28, God's breath inspired Word, emphatically states that this verse is fulfilled in Acts 2 ... a mainstay of Oneness doctrine
yet because the preliminary remarks before this Jesus name baptism contains the 3 dreaded titles of God in sequence ... it is discounted as blasphemous.
Its almost hilarious to hear ministers of the Word, and the protectors of Truth, react in such a manner about the same message they preach ...
can't y'all realize that this is a Jesus name baptism? or
does your vitriole towards your trinitarian brethren or anything remotely trinitarian sounding destroy the synapes leading to your brain and cloud your better judgment?
Does this mode ... buckle your brick wall theology?
Does this phraseology as stated and preached by you in the same manner ... make you a compromiser?
Does the mention of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, in that order, give you the heeby jeebys and make you writhe in pain?
Let go and let God ...
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