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[mfblume]

The biggest blunder of futurism is that it places a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel, which is absolutely ridiculous. Israel was in Babylon for 70 years, due to neglecting 70 sabbath years (every seven years Israel was to let the land rest and not prune nor sow crops). There were no gaps between the sabbath years they neglected. There we're no gaps in the 70 years they were in Babylon. And the 70 additional weeks of years (70 more sabbath years), why would we insert a gap of thousands of years when the timeframe was claimed to have 6 things take place in it.

In light of that, a future trib of THOSE seven years from the 70th week is utterly nonsensical. UNbelievable how that EVWER caught on.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The biggest blunder of futurism is that it places a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel, which is absolutely ridiculous. Israel was in Babylon for 70 years, due to neglecting 70 sabbath years (every seven years Israel was to let the land rest and not prune nor sow crops). There were no gaps between the sabbath years they neglected. There we're no gaps in the 70 years they were in Babylon. And the 70 additional weeks of years (70 more sabbath years), why would we insert a gap of thousands of years when the timeframe was claimed to have 6 things take place in it.

In light of that, a future trib of THOSE seven years from the 70th week is utterly nonsensical. UNbelievable how that EVWER caught on.

What about the GAP in your own theory? Mike Blume partial preterism. The gap between Rev 18 and 19? We go from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad to the coming of Jesus Christ when the rapture happens. About a 2000 year gap I believe.

Also you have no problem with making null and void Jesus teaching on the end time events for believers in many generations so you can apply them to the 1st century of believers only.

Unbelievable that "Apostolic" Christians reject end time prophecy. But oh yea we must remember 70 ad was all there is to the end times!

But oh yea we are now already living in the 1000 years of Christs reign over the nations!

Really! Take a look around!

[Michael The Disciple]

Now on a thread thats entitled "Free Seattle" the warriors for no Jews matter, partial preterism and historicism are here to do battle! To pray for Seattle?

No. To rob the end time believer of the light Jesus gave.

When you see these things begin to happen look up your redemption draws near.

[diakonos]

Yet your eschatology is nothing but “I think this means this...”

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Futurism does NOT "flow nicely with the Bible", primarily because the Bible itself does NOT interpret prophecy using the futurist approach or paradigm. When one examines Bible prophecy starting in Genesis and continuing forward, and examines fulfilled prophecy as described in the Scripture itself as well as in known history one discovers that the Bible does not follow futurism's worldview or hermeneutic. Futurists are almost universally ignorant of the bigger picture presented by Bible prophecy, instead focusing on single prophecies (rather myopically) outside of the larger context of the overall message of prophecy.

Your post above is a perfect example of what I am talking about. You immediately begin with Revelation ch 18! You then immediately ASSUME the chapter is speaking of CURRENT events for no reason whatsoever. You see the merchants of the earth mentioned in ch 18, you assume "the merchants of the earth today are vested in the United States", and then you draw the completely unwarranted, unproven, and frankly unjustifiable conclusion the US is Babylon and the chapter refers to imminent events in the future of the US!!!!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself something like the following: Let's assume you were living in the mid to late 1700s. With YOUR approach to the Bible you would be adamant that Mystery Babylon was the United Kingdom of Great Britain, centered in London. 200 years previously, you would have just as adamantly assumed Mystery Babylon was centered in Madrid. Supposing you live another 100 years you would likely be assuming Mystery Babylon was centered in Beijing (the way things are going, anyway).

But let's back up just a bit. Why do you look at chapter 18 and assume the prophetic clock starts now, in the 20-21st centuries? Why do you assume the book of Revelation shows "things that are to come" but with a near 2000 year GAP OF TOTAL SILENCE until YOU and YOUR generation come along? How is it that you cannot see how completely suspect such an approach is? Just about all Bible prophecy just so happens to devolve down to YOU, YOUR COUNTRY, and YOUR GENERATION? And why? What causes you to even think that? What leads you to that line of thinking?

Anyways, the BIBLE in the Revelation speaks of TWO CITIES, the new and heavenly Jerusalem, and the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth/Babylon/spiritually called Sodom and Egypt/where also our Lord was crucified. This is the same parallel Paul taught about, the difference between the two Jerusalems, one which is above and is the mother of us all, and the other which is in bondage and which persecutes the citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. The New Testament is indeed "a tale of two cities" but somehow you completely missed the significance of that.

You say the modern city of Jerusalem "nowadays is pretty much dependent on the USA for its very existence". You obviously do not understand history nor do you understand modern geopolitics. This is understandable, though, because neither real history nor reality in general are subjects of instruction in the modern American education system, and haven't been since about the 1930s.

As Paul explained, and as the Revelation itself reveals, neither of the two Jerusalems are limited to literal municipal districts or jurisdictions located in specific geographical locations. They are POWER STRUCTURES, one heavenly, one earthly, one divine, one demonic, one Christian, one TALMUDIC.

You think MTD even took the time to read the above?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So now one can FORGE POSTS on the Forum?

You have felt free to hit my posts and myself all along. I guess thats what happens here.

FORGING POSTS and ascribing to someone else is a different story.

PS

I dont believe Esaias is responsible for this.

Forgery? Mike a forgery is creating a false copy of the real thing. Like painting the Mona Lisa, making an exact copy of the artwork in every detail. Yet, it isn't the original work. So, you still want to call the quote a forgery? Or just not your words? So, if you have doubts on the author, could you give us a hint who you believe created it? But isn't it ironic? Your doctrine is made up, so isn't it appropriate that someone made something up for you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Now on a thread thats entitled "Free Seattle" the warriors for no Jews matter, partial preterism and historicism are here to do battle! To pray for Seattle?

No. To rob the end time believer of the light Jesus gave.

When you see these things begin to happen look up your redemption draws near.

Now you don't believe people can be redeemed by the Cross?


When you see these things begin to happen look up your redemption draws near.

Yet, 16 verses before the above verse we read......


Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Mike, so tell me? We are going to be brought before Jewish courts? You one day look for a time which you will face a Beth din? Ah, sure, good luck with the Marvel Universe.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The biggest blunder of futurism is that it places a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel, which is absolutely ridiculous. Israel was in Babylon for 70 years, due to neglecting 70 sabbath years (every seven years Israel was to let the land rest and not prune nor sow crops). There were no gaps between the sabbath years they neglected. There we're no gaps in the 70 years they were in Babylon. And the 70 additional weeks of years (70 more sabbath years), why would we insert a gap of thousands of years when the timeframe was claimed to have 6 things take place in it.

In light of that, a future trib of THOSE seven years from the 70th week is utterly nonsensical. UNbelievable how that EVWER caught on.

Mike doesn't care about the details. You are talking to a man who can't get John 1:1 straight. You expect him to use math and the Bible?

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom

Your doctrine is made up, so isn't it appropriate that someone made something up for you?

My doctrine is made up? You are the one that teaches Jesus Christ came and resurrected and raptured the Church in 70ad. That we now live in the new heavens and the new earth!I cant think of a bigger whopper that I ever heard taught in 46 years of listening to teachers or preachers.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So now one can FORGE POSTS on the Forum?

You have felt free to hit my posts and myself all along. I guess thats what happens here.

FORGING POSTS and ascribing to someone else is a different story.

PS

I dont believe Esaias is responsible for this.

No forgery. Attributing the quote to you. And if he didn’t do it, who did?