The Beast Is Destroying the Whore

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

What we have now is the sonship which is the body of Christ.

Want Scripture for it?

The sonship. Just as the Christ was not God because he was flesh inhabited by God, we also do not become gods as the Holy Ghost infills us. but we partake of the sonship when we are born again.

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Church is named the body of Christ.

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

There is only one Body of Christ. One, count it, ONE!

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Where is that Body Esaias? Where does Paul say that the body is?

So much for your smashta or whatever word you created to spew out.

Once again no Scripture showing Jesus dissolved in midair. It's fascinating how you believe Jesus Christ the Son of God DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and has been obliterated. Which is pretty much what the JWs believe.

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The body of Christ counts for both his personal body of arms and legs as well as his wife, just as Adam's bones and flesh were Eve, having been made from them, as well as his personal body.

People do not realize what the bible meant when it spoke of a man's wife as his body. A man is incomplete since woman was taken from it and made. So, returning her back to a man is not discounting that he STILL has his own personal body at the same time. SAME WITH JESUS.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Once again no Scripture showing Jesus dissolved in midair. It's fascinating how you believe Jesus Christ the Son of God DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and has been obliterated. Which is pretty much what the JWs believe.

It's fascinating how you believe Jesus Christ the Son of God DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

The fact is Jesus IS eternal life. I’ll give you scripture,

John 4:14
[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

He doesn’t need to obtain eternal life.

The problem Esaias is you need the Bible to point blank tell you this or that. Jesus told his disciples why he spoke in parables. Just because we don’t believe Jesus is in human form up in heaven, your asking us to give you scripture that states his body dissolved in air...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

It's fascinating how you believe Jesus Christ the Son of God DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

The fact is Jesus IS eternal life. I’ll give you scripture,

John 4:14
[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

He doesn’t need to obtain eternal life.

The problem Esaias is you need the Bible to point blank tell you this or that. Jesus told his disciples why he spoke in parables. Just because we don’t believe Jesus is in human form up in heaven, your asking us to give you scripture that states his body dissolved in air...

The problem is you ignore the fact Jesus Christ was born, grew up, and DIED. Therefore as a man He WAS MORTAL. He resurrected, raised from the dead, and is AS A HUMAN immortal. He is the firstborn FROM THE DEAD. In your view the man DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. He ascended and ceased to exist according to you.

So you no longer have the SON. Which according to apostle makes you... what? Antichrist.

Once again as usual in EVERY DISCUSSION you constantly move the goalposts to avoid dealing with ANY issue.

I posted Scripture. Nothing but Scripture. No commentary, no interpretation, just plain straight up Bible. And how did you react to that? What was your spirit? You IMMEDIATELY ASSUMED I was "defending two gods". You know what that tells me? It tells me YOUR religion is not Biblical. It tells me YOU believe certain things and simple Bible verses bring out this weird reaction from you. Sorry, *I* believe that if it ain't Bible it ain't truth. I am one of those close minded Bible thumping fundamentalist nut jobs who thinks we have to accept ALL that the Bible says as truth, that we have NO AUTHORITY BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN, that anyone whose religion isn't THUS SAITH THE LORD AS IT IS WRITTEN is a hell bound heretic.

In other threads you mocked me and some others who demanded Scripture for what you were claiming. So your rejection of God's Word is totally par for the course. Repent while you still have a chance:

Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Mark 7:6-7 KJV
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

John 8:47 KJV
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 KJV
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, [5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Hebrews 4:12-13 KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

1 Peter 1:23-25 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. [24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: [25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1 John 2:5 KJV
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:4-6 KJV
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. [5] They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. [6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Acts 17:11 KJV
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Isaiah 8:19-20 KJV
And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? [20] To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

[Esaias]

Jesus is not only God, but He is presently a human being:

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

IS - present tense. Not was past tense, but IS. Paul did not believe whatever it is that Nic and TJJJ believe. Two different religions. One apostolic, one heresy.

Jesus is a priest FOREVER:

Hebrews 5:6 KJV
As he saith also in another place , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The SON abides FOREVER:

John 8:35-36 KJV
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus AS THE SON OF MAN and SON OF GOD is in heaven:

Acts 7:55-56 KJV
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 KJV
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; [10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 4:14 KJV
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Christianity is founded on the belief that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God:

John 20:31 KJV
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36-37 KJV
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 KJV
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22-26 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also . [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. [26] These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 3:23 KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 5:20 KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 John 1:3 KJV
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

[Esaias]

If you can't pray like the following, you probably aren't apostolic:

Acts 4:24-30 KJV
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: [25] Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? [26] The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. [27] For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, [28] For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. [29] And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, [30] By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

[Esaias]

When you "got the spirit", what spirit was it?

Galatians 4:6 KJV
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

[Esaias]

So we are expected to believe when Jesus ascended, His body dissolved and the Son of God ceased to exist.

And when we ask for the Scriptures that teach this doctrine, we are given NOT.ONE.VERSE.

Instead we are sent round and round with red herrings and rabbit trails. JUST LIKE TRINITARIANS DO. JUST LIKE JWs DO.

If we don't buy what's being offered for sale, instead being such deplorable backwoods bumpkins that we dare to require SCRIPTURE FOR DOCTRINE, we are accused of not being spiritual. Well, I for one don't WANT any "spirit" that LEADS AWAY FROM GOD'S HOLY WORD.

Here is the real Holy Ghost:

John 16:13 KJV
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What is truth?

John 17:17 KJV
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

When you "got the spirit", what spirit was it?

Galatians 4:6 KJV
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Now you believe in the spirit?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus is not only God, but He is presently a human being:

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

IS - present tense. Not was past tense, but IS. Paul did not believe whatever it is that Nic and TJJJ believe. Two different religions. One apostolic, one heresy.

Jesus is a priest FOREVER:

Hebrews 5:6 KJV
As he saith also in another place , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The SON abides FOREVER:

John 8:35-36 KJV
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus AS THE SON OF MAN and SON OF GOD is in heaven:

Acts 7:55-56 KJV
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 KJV
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; [10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 4:14 KJV
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Christianity is founded on the belief that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God:

John 20:31 KJV
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36-37 KJV
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 1:3 KJV
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22-26 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also . [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. [26] These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 3:23 KJV
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 5:20 KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 John 1:3 KJV
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jesus is not only God, but He is presently a human being:

What was Jesus before he came on this earth?