Requiem for America

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, how many dead people have you been stepping over in church?

I am not understanding your point?

[good samaritan]

I am not trying to put the US in scripture, but I am making a point of similarities. God does not have double standards. If he judged the Jews for their backsliding then he will not spare the gentile who has been given the same opportunity.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, how many dead people have you been stepping over in church?

Hopefully dead to sin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I am not understanding your point?

You mentioned Ananias and Sapphira.

[good samaritan]

Annanias and Saphira where pretenders. We can't pretend to be something of God if we aren't.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Annanias and Saphira where pretenders. We can't pretend to be something of God if we aren't.

So, that should happen all the time in Christianity? People dropping dead because of hypocrisy.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, that should happen all the time in Christianity? People dropping dead because of hypocrisy.

This one instance is enough for me. I am struggling to see where you are going with this.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

It also seems that mainline christianity follows the same paths of OT Israel. OT Israel settled for a religious system rather than a faith based relationship like Abraham began with.

Israel: Very few OT Jews sought for more from God than the mosaic religious system.

Christianity: mainline christianity settles for a form of godliness and denies the power.

Israel: killed the prophets who were really of God because of them speaking against the wicked state they were in.

Christianity: History teaches about many protestant martyrs of the catholic church who were speaking up against the condition of the church.

Israel: The OT Jews sold out their relationship to the living God for the wealth of other nations. They became like the other nations.

Christianity: mainstream christianity has given up Holy Ghost filled relationship with God for worldliness, big bldgs, big offerings and large numbers. Many have compromised in order to reach numbers and increase their own kingdom and agenda. The church has become like the world.

Many churches seem to be no different than the fallen state of Israel, but God still reserves a remnant.

Maybe this will help you understand where I was heading. There is only and I do mean only one Church. Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox are nothing to God. The are on the same level as Buddhists and Hindus. Therefore they could not be in covenant relationship with. Annias and Sapphira again would be a frequent thing due to the flock (true church) being small number which finds the small gate.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Yes. An apostate church just like and apostate Jew. those who say they are Jews and are not and those who are lukewarm. Holding a oneness doctrinal formula is not enough either. We must know God rather than simply interpreting Him doctrinally (goes beyond being a 3 stepper). So it goes beyond trinitarian denominations, but instead all denominations. Including some self professing apostolics. Annanias and Saphira where part of the early church, thus they were not in any doctrinal error (the apostles were their teachers), but still they were fakers. So even oneness denominations can be a part of this apostate church lot.

The whole apostate Israel and then an apostate church. Is a Trinitarian Dispensationalist leftover. The Father’s wife was Israel, and she became a harlot. The Son’s bride is the church it went into apostasy, and both must wait until the Millennium reign to be totally restored in the Kingdom age.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe this will help you understand where I was heading. There is only and I do mean only one Church. Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox are nothing to God. The are on the same level as Buddhists and Hindus. Therefore they could not be in covenant relationship with. Annias and Sapphira again would be a frequent thing due to the flock (true church) being small number which finds the small gate.

I cannot say either way of how God views all the denominations in Christianity. I am merely bringing up the similarites in orthoddox judiaism and Christianity. From the begining, Abraham heard God and believed. Abraham's children and grandchildren were also familiar to the voice of God. Generations passed and they went from knowing God to just knowing the commandments of God and they begin to fall away into idolatry (The light in their temple went out). In the midst of all this, God preserved a remnant that still held true. The remnant where those who held on to their faith in God.

The Church began in an upper room and had explosive growth. People were filled with the Holy Ghost and began a "personal" relationship with God. As it grew I am sure there were many bandwagon followers such as Annannias and Saphira that tried to jump right on board. What they didn't get is that a relationship with God is built upon personal faith and confirmed (sealed) through Gods Spirit. Just like Abraham, the early christianity had a personal walk with God, but just like orthodox Judiaism, christianity became an orthodox religion that only knew the commandments of God without knowing God.

Within OT Judiasim God reserved a remnant, and Within NT Christianity God preserves a remnant (aka the church). The remnant is what is the bride. You can say I am a dispensationalist in regard to the return of Christ, because I do expect Jesus to return in physical form. I don't think we are living in a millenial reign that the devil is at present bound in a fiery pit not to torment God's people. Dispensationalist teach we are living in the gap, while preterist teach we are living in millinium. I don't think either is right, but I do see similarites in these religions. I made the mistake of using church when I was speaking of Christianity. I don't think there is a fallen church because the church is the remnant that always remains. Just like the Jews had a remnant.