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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't listen to Rush and don't particularly like him. You acting like some college kid with a Che t-shirt isn't going to get you anywhere, either.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

BAHAHAHAHA!

[Wilsonwas]

That guy in the red t-shirt, dont know beard, just sayin

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Having Rush's political views could help us all.

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. It's a talk show capitalizing on the positions of the right wing. He's a joke.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Clearly Isn't? Where do you grow your manure? Seriously? I have dealt with cannabis and its effect on the world around me. You see the difference Chris, is that I actually have experience. You on the other hand sit under the Internet with slanted facts and figures. Cannabis is a drug, and an addictive drug. Just like any other drug, and people have been making money off that drug longer than you been alive. You don't have a clue what you are talking about, and that has been proven way too many times. Chris, the advocation of drugs to remedy anyone's problems alongside the spiritual, is witchcraft.

What chemical property in cannabis has proven to be biochemically addictive?

The same can be said about PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS!!!!!

So your 7,000 years of medicinal use argument runs head on into the advocation of everything else savages may of used to call on their demons.
Yes, call on their demons. Because with your ponificating over 7,000 years you seem to forget that they used the drugs in accordance with the spiritual.
These ancients called on their deities while administering their drugs, cannabis, mushrooms, peyote, cocaine, and others. You know Chris, you don't post this garbage for those who already know that facts. You post this garbage straight to the young lurkers who just come to read this thread. They never post comments, they aren't even members here. I want to say this, sadly their blood is on your hands.

And the superstition begins.

No one is worshipping demons in relation to medical cannabis. Wine has been used in pagan rituals too, even grape juice. Should we prohibit it from being used in Communion? Intent is paramount.

We know that today more people are struggling with anxiety, sickness, and debilitating symptoms of diseases not previously seen down through history. Medical science has advanced beyond the place where it was when it dismissed all the "savagery" of ancient medicines. When confronted with conditions and symptoms that aren't reacting to conventional medicine, medical researchers are turning to re-examine ancient medicines to find what medical value they may or may not have provided.

For example, in 1990 the endocannabinoid system was discovered by Miles Herkenham. What Is The Endocannabinoid System?

The endogenous cannabinoid system, named after the plant that led to its discovery, is perhaps the most important physiologic system involved in establishing and maintaining human health. Endocannabinoids and their receptors are found throughout the body: in the brain, organs, connective tissues, glands, and immune cells. In each tissue, the cannabinoid system performs different tasks, but the goal is always the same: homeostasis, the maintenance of a stable internal environment despite fluctuations in the external environment.

Cannabinoids promote homeostasis at every level of biological life, from the sub-cellular, to the organism, and perhaps to the community and beyond. Here's one example: autophagy, a process in which a cell sequesters part of its contents to be self-digested and recycled, is mediated by the cannabinoid system. While this process keeps normal cells alive, allowing them to maintain a balance between the synthesis, degradation, and subsequent recycling of cellular products, it has a deadly effect on malignant tumor cells, causing them to consume themselves in a programmed cellular suicide. The death of cancer cells, of course, promotes homeostasis and survival at the level of the entire organism.

Endocannabinoids and cannabinoids are also found at the intersection of the body's various systems, allowing communication and coordination between different cell types. At the site of an injury, for example, cannabinoids can be found decreasing the release of activators and sensitizers from the injured tissue, stabilizing the nerve cell to prevent excessive firing, and calming nearby immune cells to prevent release of pro-inflammatory substances. Three different mechanisms of action on three different cell types for a single purpose: minimize the pain and damage caused by the injury.

The endocannabinoid system, with its complex actions in our immune system, nervous system, and all of the body's organs, is literally a bridge between body and mind. By understanding this system we begin to see a mechanism that explains how states of consciousness can promote health or disease.

In addition to regulating our internal and cellular homeostasis, cannabinoids influence a person's relationship with the external environment. Socially, the administration of cannabinoids clearly alters human behavior, often promoting sharing, humor, and creativity. By mediating neurogenesis, neuronal plasticity, and learning, cannabinoids may directly influence a person's open-mindedness and ability to move beyond limiting patterns of thought and behavior from past situations. Reformatting these old patterns is an essential part of health in our quickly changing environment.

Source: http://norml.org/library/item/introd...abinoid-system

Prior to understanding the existence of this system and how it works, it was impossible to study any positive effects of cannabis on the human body. From the same source:

Cannabis, The Endocannabinoid System, And Good Health

As we continue to sort through the emerging science of cannabis and cannabinoids, one thing remains clear: a functional cannabinoid system is essential for health. From embryonic implantation on the wall of our mother's uterus, to nursing and growth, to responding to injuries, endocannabinoids help us survive in a quickly changing and increasingly hostile environment. As I realized this, I began to wonder: can an individual enhance his/her cannabinoid system by taking supplemental cannabis? Beyond treating symptoms, beyond even curing disease, can cannabis help us prevent disease and promote health by stimulating an ancient system that is hard-wired into all of us?

I now believe the answer is yes. Research has shown that small doses of cannabinoids from cannabis can signal the body to make more endocannabinoids and build more cannabinoid receptors. This is why many first-time cannabis users don't feel an effect, but by their second or third time using the herb they have built more cannabinoid receptors and are ready to respond. More receptors increase a person's sensitivity to cannabinoids; smaller doses have larger effects, and the individual has an enhanced baseline of endocannabinoid activity. I believe that small, regular doses of cannabis might act as a tonic to our most central physiologic healing system.

Many physicians cringe at the thought of recommending a botanical substance, and are outright mortified by the idea of smoking a medicine. Our medical system is more comfortable with single, isolated substances that can be swallowed or injected. Unfortunately, this model significantly limits the therapeutic potential of cannabinoids.

Unlike synthetic derivatives, herbal cannabis may contain over one hundred different cannabinoids, including THC, which all work synergistically to produce better medical effects and less side effects than THC alone. While cannabis is safe and works well when smoked, many patients prefer to avoid respiratory irritation and instead use a vaporizer, cannabis tincture, or topical salve. Scientific inquiry and patient testimonials both indicate that herbal cannabis has superior medical qualities to synthetic cannabinoids.

In 1902 Thomas Edison said, "There were never so many able, active minds at work on the problems of disease as now, and all their discoveries are tending toward the simple truth that you can't improve on nature." Cannabinoid research has proven this statement is still valid.

So, is it possible that medical cannabis could be the most useful remedy to treat the widest variety of human diseases and conditions, a component of preventative healthcare, and an adaptive support in our increasingly toxic, carcinogenic environment? Yes. This was well known to the indigenous medical systems of ancient India, China, and Tibet, and as you will find in this report, is becoming increasingly well known by Western science. Of course, we need more human-based research studying the effectiveness of cannabis, but the evidence base is already large and growing constantly, despite the DEA's best efforts to discourage cannabis-related research.

Does your doctor understand the benefit of medical cannabis? Can he or she advise you in the proper indications, dosage, and route of administration? Likely not. Despite the two largest U.S. physician associations (American Medical Association and American College of Physicians) calling for more research, the U.S. Congress prohibiting federal interference in states' medical cannabis programs, a 5,000 year history of safe therapeutic use, and a huge amount of published research, most doctors know little or nothing about medical cannabis.

This is changing, in part because the public is demanding it. People want safe, natural and inexpensive treatments that stimulate our bodies' ability to self-heal and help our population improve its quality of life. Medical cannabis is one such solution. This summary is an excellent tool for spreading the knowledge and helping to educate patients and healthcare providers on the scientific evidence behind the medical use of cannabis and cannabinoids.

None of this would have been conceivable on the scientific level prior to 1990.

I'll address the rest of your post shortly.

TO BE CONTINUED.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So was beating your wife and kids, was there a conspiracy to make it mandatory for an abusive husband to be locked up? No, because it was dangerous.

When did I ever say that I beat my wife and kids? Did you invent this with the other accusations you tend to invent to slander me? Oh well, I'll ignore this and I'll move on.

Chris, you are dead wrong about cannabis it is a dangerous drug. You are just parroting the liberal mantra which has been trying to get this garbage legalized longer than you have been alive. Cocaine was made illegal also, even heroin you could get over the counter. My lands, psychedelic mushrooms had no prohibition. So, by your illogical view that it was once legal therefore making it beneficial then all others should be made available?

Chris, as per usual you never ever think it through.

You sound more paranoid than those who advocate for cannabis.

First, cocaine and heroin have specific compounds in them that are proven to be extremely addictive. In addition, the damage they do to the human body is well documented. They should be looked at in an entirely different category than cannabis.

But you bring up a debatable point. Should the government criminalize those who are addicted to these substances? Should they be viewed as criminals to be locked up like animals, or should they be looked at as people with a serious medical problem? I believe it was Portugal that decriminalized most drugs. Their prison population was exploding with no end to the drug addiction issue in sight. They decriminalized most drugs and set up a network of clinics and medical authorities to address chemical dependency. This healthcare focus is on wholeness and health, not criminalization. They've actually seen cases of drug addiction drop as people are no longer hiding their condition for fear of being arrested or suffering civil penalties and vast numbers are seeking help. Portugal has found that instead of locking people up for a medical problem, it's far more beneficial and less expensive to treat these people. Portugal is an example libertarians point to in reference to the senseless waste of lives produced by the "war on drugs" in America. There need not be a war on drugs with armed police waiting in the wings to incarcerate violators. There should be a war on addiction, with medical staff waiting in the wings to treat patients. This position values life, liberty, and health. If banning a "thing" actually put an end to the problem, then wouldn't banning guns put an end to shootings? Of course it wouldn't. And, as time has shown us, the war on drugs, with all it's expense, loss of life, loss of privacy, loss of liberty, and growing rates of incarceration, isn't even putting a dent in the problem. In fact, it only compounds the problem. Treat the sick, don't criminalize them.

No Chris, it was my experience that proved to me that it was bad for everyone. Remember me? Guy with the experience and YOU, guy with no clue. No clue kid, you haven't the foggiest idea what weed does to people. It was given the nickname DOPE. Because the government called it that? NO! Because the USERS called it that. Cheech and Chong were so funny to the users because we actually knew people who were burnt. Chris, you know nothing about a topic, but you haven't even the decency to shut your mouth. You just vomit out your liberal garbage all over us and think yourself ill used if we place you on full blast!

In most cases the burnouts I've known (and I do know a few) did far more than just weed. I've known countless Veitnam vets who did quite a bit of weed, and they are not burnouts. In most cases, they were professional people, police officers, civil employees, contractors, etc. Most "burnouts" like Cheech and Chong took far too many different drugs, and were also heavy drinkers. Today, there are politicians, lawyers, scientists, doctors, cops, firefighters, and countless others who have had their share of weed in the day. And none of them show any marked deficiency.

Now, one thing we will agree on is that cannabis does pose a risk to adolescents whose brains are still in development. Cannabis is one of many substances that can hinder brain development in adolescents. I remember reading about a study in which those who consumed cannabis as adolescents suffered from memory loss and even a loss in IQ. Those who began consuming cannabis as adults showed no such after effects. So, even medical cannabis advocates caution cannabis in relation to adolescents. It is only justified with adolescents if their current condition is such that the benefit of cannabis is greater than the damage done by the disease. For example, kids suffering from epilepsy that show neurological developmental problems caused by the seizure activity. By preventing seizures with cannabis, this neurological damage is prevented and development actually accelerates beyond what the epilepsy would have allowed, even with the effects of cannabis use in view.

All to make MONEY!!!!

Here is the news flash!!

The people in the world around you don't give a rat's rear end for you or me.
They want to get paid. If they could go out and kill every last elephant on the planet for its ivory, put psychedelic drugs in Chocks Chewable Vitamins they would. It is all about money. You lock your car, because the world around you wants everything you got. There isn't virtue out there looking to hold you at night. They want the money, they want the power. If they have to pop a cap in your head to get they will. Lobbyists are PAID!!!! We have one lobbyist in th homeschooling for the State of Florida. You know how many for MM? Because of MONEY!!!!

Chris, you are a drama queen, you love to paint a pixie floating world. Where butterflies and unicorns play, were Bernie Sanders is the king, handing out the money of those who work to those who won't.

They way you see the world is a projection of your own inner self.

I do not deny that money is a leading motivation. However, there are numerous examples of philanthropic individuals in the cannabis community going as far as breaking the law and nearly giving it away to help families at wits end wherein conventional medicine has failed.

You seem to think such people don't exist.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

When did I ever say that I beat my wife and kids? Did you invent this with the other accusations you tend to invent to slander me? Oh well, I'll ignore this and I'll move on.

He's not saying YOU said it or did it. A bit of reading comprehension would be great.

You said, "It [cannabis] was only made illegal in the mid 1900's."

He responded to that statement with: "So was beating your wife and kids."

He was not accusing you of anything.

Do you have a guilty conscience or something?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Your kids say, "Mom and dad don't fight like they used to.", "I'm not afraid of dad anymore.", "Dad doesn't scream and break things like before."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

He's not saying YOU said it or did it. A bit of reading comprehension would be great.

You said, "It [cannabis] was only made illegal in the mid 1900's."

He responded to that statement with: "So was beating your wife and kids."

He was not accusing you of anything.

Ah, I see. He meant "So was beating your wife and kids" in a general sense. I stand corrected. I feared he was making something else up about me. lol

See, that's how we can clarify our misunderstandings.

Do you have a guilty conscience or something?

And then, there's the character assassination through accusation by implication, which is completely unnecessary.

Careful, another illusion is being conceived. You can see it as such and ensure that it doesn't become another mischaracterization and slanderous accusation... or... you can ensure that such doesn't take on a life of its own.

The choice between accepting the truth or an illusion born of personal bias and/or prejudice is entirely up to you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What chemical property in cannabis has proven to be biochemically addictive?

The delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is what makes people desire to smoke it. THC is what gets you high and what is addictive. How long you been smoking reefer? I know people who have been smoking it for 40 years. How long have you been dealing with people with drug addictions? I have been dealing with people with addictions for 36 years. Chris, all drugs are addictive, if you say no then you don't know. THC is psychologically and physically additive, with withdrawal symptoms that can hinder you quitting. I have a gentleman who has been struggling to quit reefer. His problem is that he used (not abused) but used it since 1976, 42 years. now that he is older he knows of the debilitating effects the drug has had on his body, and his mind. What do you suggest he do?

Originally Posted by Aquila

And the superstition begins.

No one is worshipping demons in relation to medical cannabis. Wine has been used in pagan rituals too, even grape juice. Should we prohibit it from being used in Communion? Intent is paramount.

Wine isn't φαρμακεία, because it isn't on the same level. You get drunken with psychotropic plants and mushrooms just through ingesting them. The same can not be said about wine. Sorry, but what you are condoning is Satanic. But, you haven't a clue about the spirit realm. You don't believe in demons, or that demons can manifest themselves. You know nothing about pathways which drugs open up for demonic activity. Superstition? Maybe that's why you have never been able to elude your own demons. Because you don't believe they exist.

Originally Posted by Aquila

We know that today more people are struggling with anxiety, sickness, and debilitating symptoms of diseases not previously seen down through history. Medical science has advanced beyond the place where it was when it dismissed all the "savagery" of ancient medicines. When confronted with conditions and symptoms that aren't reacting to conventional medicine, medical researchers are turning to re-examine ancient medicines to find what medical value they may or may not have provided.

Because they reject the healing and delivering power of Jesus Christ you all look towards stone age witchcraft? That's scary. When Pazuzu comes knocking, will you be able to stop him with your Shamanic practices?

Originally Posted by Aquila

For example, in 1990 the endocannabinoid system was discovered by Miles Herkenham. What Is The Endocannabinoid System?

The endogenous cannabinoid system, named after the plant that led to its discovery, is perhaps the most important physiologic system involved in establishing and maintaining human health. Endocannabinoids and their receptors are found throughout the body: in the brain, organs, connective tissues, glands, and immune cells. In each tissue, the cannabinoid system performs different tasks, but the goal is always the same: homeostasis, the maintenance of a stable internal environment despite fluctuations in the external environment.

Cannabinoids promote homeostasis at every level of biological life, from the sub-cellular, to the organism, and perhaps to the community and beyond. Here's one example: autophagy, a process in which a cell sequesters part of its contents to be self-digested and recycled, is mediated by the cannabinoid system. While this process keeps normal cells alive, allowing them to maintain a balance between the synthesis, degradation, and subsequent recycling of cellular products, it has a deadly effect on malignant tumor cells, causing them to consume themselves in a programmed cellular suicide. The death of cancer cells, of course, promotes homeostasis and survival at the level of the entire organism.

Endocannabinoids and cannabinoids are also found at the intersection of the body's various systems, allowing communication and coordination between different cell types. At the site of an injury, for example, cannabinoids can be found decreasing the release of activators and sensitizers from the injured tissue, stabilizing the nerve cell to prevent excessive firing, and calming nearby immune cells to prevent release of pro-inflammatory substances. Three different mechanisms of action on three different cell types for a single purpose: minimize the pain and damage caused by the injury.

The endocannabinoid system, with its complex actions in our immune system, nervous system, and all of the body's organs, is literally a bridge between body and mind. By understanding this system we begin to see a mechanism that explains how states of consciousness can promote health or disease.

In addition to regulating our internal and cellular homeostasis, cannabinoids influence a person's relationship with the external environment. Socially, the administration of cannabinoids clearly alters human behavior, often promoting sharing, humor, and creativity. By mediating neurogenesis, neuronal plasticity, and learning, cannabinoids may directly influence a person's open-mindedness and ability to move beyond limiting patterns of thought and behavior from past situations. Reformatting these old patterns is an essential part of health in our quickly changing environment.

Source: http://norml.org/library/item/introd...abinoid-system

Sweet Jesus, you know NO ONE who has spent years smoking marijuana. The above is just not found in those who have smoked dope for 3/4s of their lives. I grew up with these people. Most who still smoke to this day aren't abusers. They are users. Influence a person's open mindedness? Are you that dense? We are the ones, the users who called reefer DOPE. You are blind, you never flew a plane, but because you can Google how to fly on the Internet you are a pilot?

The rest of your post is a cut and paste montage of nonsense that you yourself haven't the experience or skill to understand. The blood is on your head.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah, I see. He meant "So was beating your wife and kids" in a general sense. I stand corrected. I feared he was making something else up about me. lol

See, that's how we can clarify our misunderstandings.



And then, there's the character assassination through accusation by implication, which is completely unnecessary.

Careful, another illusion is being conceived. You can see it as such and ensure that it doesn't become another mischaracterization and slanderous accusation... or... you can ensure that such doesn't take on a life of its own.

The choice between accepting the truth or an illusion born of personal bias and/or prejudice is entirely up to you.

Good God from Zion!

You can't even read.

Cut and paste your head off because you want to look so intellectually stupid. Then you trip over one of my statements because you can't read.

But Marijuana is going to help you?


You already post like you're smoking dope, imagine when you finally do?

Good grief