I John 5:8?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The CEV places the water and blood coming from Jesus' side:

"Water and blood came out from the side of Jesus Christ. It wasn't just water, but water and blood. The Spirit tells about this, because the Spirit is truthful."

What is the passage actually saying when it says, "he that came by..."

"from the side" is not in the original, so I discount that entirely.

He came by water refers to His baptism by John. That He came by blood signifies His death. He was presented to us as the Messiah by His baptism, and by His death. And the Spirit bears witness to His Messiahship, as Paul says in Romans:

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

And again he says:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

So Jesus was presented to us as the Son of God (Christ, or Messiah) by His baptism, His death, as well as the Spirit, which not only testified by means of the various miracles He did, but especially by His resurrection.

And this witness is something the believer has in him- or herself, namely the water, Spirit, and the blood. that is, the believer identifies with Christ in baptism, into His atoning death, and in the Holy Ghost (the new life God has given to those who believe).

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"from the side" is not in the original, so I discount that entirely.

He came by water refers to His baptism by John. That He came by blood signifies His death. He was presented to us as the Messiah by His baptism, and by His death. And the Spirit bears witness to His Messiahship, as Paul says in Romans:

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

And again he says:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

So Jesus was presented to us as the Son of God (Christ, or Messiah) by His baptism, His death, as well as the Spirit, which not only testified by means of the various miracles He did, but especially by His resurrection.

And this witness is something the believer has in him- or herself, namely the water, Spirit, and the blood. that is, the believer identifies with Christ in baptism, into His atoning death, and in the Holy Ghost (the new life God has given to those who believe).

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"from the side" is not in the original.

What is the "original text"?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What is the "original text"?

The Greek. The CEV is a translation, and the text the CEV is a translation of does not have "from the side". The CEV is a really bad translation, more like an interpretive paraphrase, like The Living Bible.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Greek. The CEV is a translation, and the text the CEV is a translation of does not have "from the side". The CEV is a really bad translation, more like an interpretive paraphrase, like The Living Bible.

I agree.

If the majority of Christians do not read Greek, which translation is the best?

[Pressing-On]

One other question - You've quoted several times from the Interlinear at BibleHub. Do you find it reliable?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree.

If the majority of Christians do not read Greek, which translation is the best?

Why, the King James, of course.



There's also Young's Literal Version, the Geneva Bible, and even Jay Green's Literal Version.

Assuming of course we're talking about English speakers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

One other question - You've quoted several times from the Interlinear at BibleHub. Do you find it reliable?

So far. Although usually I refer to either a Literal Version or sometime's Berry's Interlinear, or the Apostolic Bible Polyglot (interlinear). Although I try to check everything with my Oxford Greek-English Lexicon, and other sources. I have found Gill, JFB, and KandD as well as Barnes and Clarke to be good sources for looking at the original languages and providing insight into usages and meanings.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So far. Although usually I refer to either a Literal Version or sometime's Berry's Interlinear, or the Apostolic Bible Polyglot (interlinear). Although I try to check everything with my Oxford Greek-English Lexicon, and other sources. I have found Gill, JFB, and KandD as well as Barnes and Clarke to be good sources for looking at the original languages and providing insight into usages and meanings.

I've always liked JFB. Read some things in the Pulpit Commentary that I liked.Gill seems to lean a little Catholic. At least that is my impression.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why, the King James, of course.



There's also Young's Literal Version, the Geneva Bible, and even Jay Green's Literal Version.

Assuming of course we're talking about English speakers.

I like to check the YLV as well.