The Apostolic Light Doctrine

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So now salvation is only offered to scholars, in some type of who wants to be a millionaire type game? A person has to be some great mind who could win Jeopardy? Eschatology, is the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation no one ever expressly mentioned? Really bro, you've gotta be kidding me!

Its obvious you have never been engaged with Trins. You dont realize thats EXACTLY one of the things they say to us in discussions of the Godhead. That we make it to complicated to understand.

And as always you guys have proved and admitted you believe in your own form of "light" doctrine. As long as one gets baptized in Jesus name and believes in Oneness his other heresies dont matter. He's going to Heaven.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by n david

Now you're just making stuff up.

Here's what I actually posted:

"He literally believes God will condemn to hell the millions of spirit-filled believers who either haven't made up their mind on eschatology, are believing the wrong eschatological view (per himself) or are like me and don't care to take a position because all which matters is that we believe God is coming again and there will be a day of judgment. Whether I believe in historicism, futurism, dispensationism or preterism doesn't matter as long as I believe in and look for His return."

Now show me where the word "Godhead" is in that quote.

Originally Posted by n david

We've debated this before. Paul is simply admonishing the church there to not buy into the hype that Christ's return was "at hand."

Context matters. You're twisting the passage to try and frame your eschatology belief into it, while damning the rest of us who don't agree with your views.

As far as Trinnies go -- they reject the Oneness of God. The literal foundational belief is there is one God. So to claim trinnies and people who believe in some eschatological view other than yours is just ridiculous and absurd.

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[n david]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

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And your point?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

My father has believed to this day in dispensation eschatology.

Mike claims my father is going to hell over that.

And not only my father, but almost every dear elder I know who has passed, Mike has claimed they will be judged and condemned to hell.

So I take it a bit personally that he not only condemns them to hell, but compares them to trinnies.

Bless his heart. /sarc

You act like this is my doctrine. I am quoting Paul the Apostle. You are offended by him, not me. All I'm doing is reminding people that Paul, speaking for Jesus Christ called people who taught the rapture can come before the man of sin is revealed are "deceivers".

Many (not all) Apostolics hold this very doctrine, some going as far as to say Jesus came in 70ad! They fear not when they see this warning by Paul saying its not important but their MAN OF GODS STANDARDS are.

So in theory a man serving God wearing a beard according to them could wind up going to hell because he has A SPIRIT OF REBELLION but teachers can deceive flocks weekly teaching Jesus could come any time and THEY are the great elders of the Apostolic Church!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You act like this is my doctrine. I am quoting Paul the Apostle. You are offended by him, not me. All I'm doing is reminding people that Paul, speaking for Jesus Christ called people who taught the rapture can come before the man of sin is revealed are "deceivers".

That was not what Paul was saying.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So in theory a man serving God wearing a beard according to them could wind up going to hell because he has A SPIRIT OF REBELLION but teachers can deceive flocks weekly teaching Jesus could come any time and THEY are the great elders of the Apostolic Church!

This is what it boils down to.

You're throwing a tantrum. You're upset because there are ministers you know who are against beards and believe they're a sin. So you want to punch back and return the favor.

How stupid.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

This is what it boils down to.

You're throwing a tantrum. You're upset because there are ministers you know who are against beards and believe they're a sin. So you want to punch back and return the favor.

How stupid.

Who is throwing the tantrum? Its not me who is teaching that beards are wrong or a sin and that if you wear one you are in rebellion with no scripture period.

I am making a simple observation. It has been said that the rapture teaching does not matter. As if Jesus never made it clear. As if Paul did not make it clear. As if the Bible doesnt make the timing of the rapture clearly after the man of sin is revealed. That its not as important as "standards" some of which have no Biblical basis at all!

So I am the one throwing the tantrum?

Lets see if I am making this up.

How could you sit here and say someone's ideas about the being pre trib, or post trib matters that way? All that is crazy, because no one living knows what it's going to be for sure.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by n david

And your point?

You said you did not mention Godhead.

But you insinuated that trinnies are hell bound for rejecting oneness. So yeah, for all intent and purpose, you mentioned Godhead

[n david]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

You said you did not mention Godhead.

But you insinuated that trinnies are hell bound for rejecting oneness. So yeah, for all intent and purpose, you mentioned Godhead

You realize these are different posts, right?

The quote Mike responded to did not include anything about the Godhead.

Had he quoted the post you're referencing, I would have not objected.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Originalist

All valid points and concerns. But don't you sometimes just want to get away from all of this and just focus on HIM? I know I do. Without him I can do nothing. I need him now more than ever. No, I do not have all truth. No, I do not have a perfect understanding of the God head. I do not think any of do. But one think we do know, is that we need him more than the air we breathe. He is our very spiritual life. The Holy Ghost flowing through us is eternal life and peace. God help us not to be so focused on figuring out every mystery to the point that we lose focus of him in our lives.

Well actually I do have a life with God. We have been abiding in each other for decades. But sure I know what you mean. Its not all just about doctrine.