A Glorious Church?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

Don't confuse the two, truth and how that truth is relayed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know good UPCI men who don't prostitute their pulpits, and who would never agree with the man.

Again, it's not about the UPCI. It's about politics in the pulpit.

Sorry bro, but it is about the UPC. Because you made it a point to mention the UPC. You hid his name, but not his organization. His name just sinks his battle ship, but the mention of the organization sinks the organization, and even the whole Apostolic movement. Also, knowing good UPCers doesn't make up for Pastor Porno. Why? Because that is just how prejudices are made. I was robbed by a black man, but I know good black men. How about we focus on your statement of carnality? The guy is carnal, and therefore he has some issues which cause us to question his character. So, this went from an Apostolic thing, o a human nature thing. Because we know good men and bad men, but there is a solution for bad men, through Jesus Christ.

In religion men have used it to manipulate the masses, and control the minds. Nothing new, so if we find a disreputable man in leadership I shouldn't act so surprised.

Every group should be noted for their best, but we sadly use their worst to pour on our open wounds. So, those wounds will never heal. If they heal we might be able to move forward and the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth may stop.

Yet, some people like to show everyone that they are cutters.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, I didn't have to see that.

Seriously.

What did I miss?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Don't confuse the two, truth and how that truth is relayed.

Ummm... think about the irony of your statement for just a moment. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, its ok, but when you have to post the above more times then needed, then sorry becomes a sorry word. Listen, don't ever do it again, that is the best form of an apology.

I understand your point.

I also hope that you saw the point I was making though.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sorry bro, but it is about the UPC. Because you made it a point to mention the UPC. You hid his name, but not his organization. His name just sinks his battle ship, but the mention of the organization sinks the organization, and even the whole Apostolic movement. Also, knowing good UPCers doesn't make up for Pastor Porno. Why? Because that is just how prejudices are made. I was robbed by a black man, but I know good black men. How about we focus on your statement of carnality? The guy is carnal, and therefore he has some issues which cause us to question his character. So, this went from an Apostolic thing, o a human nature thing. Because we know good men and bad men, but there is a solution for bad men, through Jesus Christ.

In religion men have used it to manipulate the masses, and control the minds. Nothing new, so if we find a disreputable man in leadership I shouldn't act so surprised.

Every group should be noted for their best, but we sadly use their worst to pour on our open wounds. So, those wounds will never heal. If they heal we might be able to move forward and the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth may stop.

Yet, some people like to show everyone that they are cutters.

I think the UPCI will be just fine. lol

But this carnal creep is an excellent example of how men's standards can be lowed by blending their politics with their faith.

I have two, maybe three "issues" that I support that are liberal. I have five to seven "issues" I support that are conservative. And I think all the politicians are dirty dogs. The one who is most honest about being a dirty dog is the one who impresses me. lol

You know I've worked rather close with several law enforcement agencies. Without elaborating, there are certain questions that are often tailored and asked during interviews that will tell the interviewer right away if they are dealing with a person who is likely to be honest or not.

For example, the question, "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" Clinton's answer of, "Yes, but I never inhaled.", was so funny in part because it expressed the desire to be honest, but the savvy of knowing that brazen disclosure could be political suicide... while the other candidates swore up and down that they had never smoked it. lol

When questions like that are asked, it is often the one's denying such actions or behaviors that are the guys you have to worry about. Especially if they can look you in the eye and lie like a sociopath.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think the UPCI will be just fine. lol

In that I have no doubt.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But this carnal creep is an excellent example of how men's standards can be lowed by blending their politics with their faith.

Hypocrisy knows no boundaries. Your boy is a perfect example of an idiot, whether he was a Pentecostal or JoJo the dog faced boy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I have two, maybe three "issues" that I support that are liberal. I have five to seven "issues" I support that are conservative. And I think all the politicians are dirty dogs. The one who is most honest about being a dirty dog is the one who impresses me. lol

You know I've worked rather close with several law enforcement agencies. Without elaborating, there are certain questions that are often tailored and asked during interviews that will tell the interviewer right away if they are dealing with a person who is likely to be honest or not.

For example, the question, "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" Clinton's answer of, "Yes, but I never inhaled.", was so funny in part because it expressed the desire to be honest, but the savvy of knowing that brazen disclosure could be political suicide... while the other candidates swore up and down that they had never smoked it. lol

When questions like that are asked, it is often the one's denying such actions or behaviors that are the guys you have to worry about. Especially if they can look you in the eye and lie like a sociopath.

Smoked marijuana?

Wow.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'll give you his name in PM, and you can contact him if you like. I'm not exaggerating.

I'd like that.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Please don't confuse "spiritually conservative" with the "political conservative movement". They are two very separate things. Many political conservatives are anything but religiously conservative. And many political liberals are religiously conservative.

My post was about getting human politics out of the pulpit and not using the name of God to prop up a human political agenda, regardless of party, or political agenda. The pulpit is to advance the Kingdom of God, New Testament salvation. Politicking is best left on the stump... it shouldn't be in our pulpits. Remember, the art of politics is the art of compromise. The more pulpits become given over to politics, they more they will compromise, not less. Consider, this post from Facebook that was directed to me about Donald Trump and his bad behavior towards women....

D***** L**** Oh no, i served the Lord for over 30 years, a pastor, a bishop as an elder etc. I still enjoy seeing a nice butt on a woman, even nice boobs., been married 31 years, i still enjoy grabbing my wife when she least expects it, i guess that means i treat women wrong. I admit I am a dirty old man, lol.

The sin is not in the look, its when the mind engages, and starts thinking thoughts, now if most men are honest , they would admit the same thing that i did.

Us men have our faults in looking, but women of today let it every thing hang out, so men notice them. A lot more than Trump has a problem with sin.

And smear campaign, look at news, all the way back to when we the people elected him. Smearing him every day, look at the junk bama shoved down our throats, was he smeared daily

This man claims to have served the Lord for over 30 years, a pastor, a bishop as an elder etc.! What??? And he speaks like this about a politician's carnal, and perhaps even criminal, antics??? This man's justification of bad behavior has lowered his moral compass. Why? Because he has blended his faith with a political agenda, and that means supporting a man of bad behavior as part of his religio-political loyalties.

My answer to him was...

Wow. And people don't think that the hero worship given to Trump isn't lowering our standards of decency?

While we're beating our chests about being sexually vibrant men like Trump... let me ask a question...

If your daughter was in a beauty pageant and some scumbag of a billionaire grabbed her inappropriately and made overtly sexual remarks because he thinks he's so big and bad no one will call him on it... and it left your daughter feeling like a subhuman piece of meat born only for sex... would you laugh it off???

I'm proud to say that... as a father of a little girl... it would take every bit of my strength to resist beating that small handed, churlish, pervert within an inch of his life.

But, we're going to play the, "Oh, boys will be boys card."

I have a daughter. And if anyone in ministry thinks like this, I can proudly say I'd never trust him alone with my daughter in a million years. And it says a whole heck of a lot about the fiber of the church the man has served.

They gentleman is UPCI. Politics is the art of compromise. And blending politics with his faith has left him... morally compromised.

Oh dear sister, please don't tell me you support this sort of thing.

Umm.. Hmm. Where is this post going on at btw? You say this man is UPC? Well what charismatic chat room or blog is this being posted in?

[n david]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Umm.. Hmm. Where is this post going on at btw? You say this man is UPC? Well what charismatic chat room or blog is this being posted in?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Consider, this post from Facebook that was directed to me about Donald Trump and his bad behavior towards women....

Apparently this "DL" posted on FB. Unless it was via FB messenger, I find this incredibly hard to believe. Even via messenger, I think what was actually said was embellished and exaggerated.