Baptism Question

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

What?

Originally Posted by houston

In my heart? Beliefs are in the mind. Beliefs change for the good or the bad through exposure to information.

So you believe that belief comes from the comes from the soul of man, not from the spirit?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So you believe that belief comes from the comes from the soul of man, not from the spirit?

Could you explain a little more in detail?

What are you trying to say?

[shag]

Last night my 10 year old son was baptized.


He had mentioned wanting to do so, over the last several months.
Yesterday afternoon, he asked if he could get baptized. I said, no son let’s hold off a little longer. He said, dad why can’t I?
I said there’s some things I want to make sure you understand first.
He was very disappointed.
Earlier in the summer- fall, when he had asked, I tried to persuade him into going to the river, having the church meet us there, the old fashion way. He kinda drug his feet on that because he didn’t want to be a spectacle(embarrassment).

Yesterday afternoon, after I told him no, my wife approached me about changing my mind.
So, after bible quiz practice, before “service” began, I had about a 10-15 minute talk w my son.
While thinking back now typing this, I’m kicking myself in the hind end for not mentioning the word repentance. Can u believe that? However, my son thankfully is aware of what repentance is.

I explained to him to make sure he understood, what the gospel(good news) is, that because of our sin, we should’ve been on that cross, but Jesus took our place. And to be baptized was to make a lifelong commitment, a covenant w our Saviour to give our life to him. To try to be sinless every day. If we ever fail, our Saviours blood will cover our mistake, yet we will try our best to not continue to sin.
I quoted him where the nt scriptural baptism verses are found, and told him I did so so as to make him aware that we are doing things the Bible way.

In the end, I made sure he understood mans sin, the cross and it’s purpose- Christ’ righteousness and our unrighteousness.
Turning from sin and lifelong Covenant relationship w our Saviour.
Obedience to His scriptural instruction to be baptized.

I did NOT “verbally enforce” the necessity of his understanding that baptism was for the purpose of remitting his sin. I would say he pretty much gets it, he has Acts 2:38 memorized, and he’s definitely a thinker. He has written questions ready for me to answer on my coffee maker(like, dad since animals decided to kill when Adam and Eve sinned(death entered), why didn’t the animals eat Adam and Eve?)

My pastor asked me if I wanted to baptize him.
I was going to but my son asked for our pastor to because it would just get more attention if I did it and he was embarrassed. So, our pastor buried him w Christ.

I’m not sure what all was said to the Phillipian jailer at midnight, but I’m trusting our was equally as effective.

I told my son in our short talk, (along with the sin explanation) I said you know how when in a hospital and we need new blood to a transfusion, they use an IV, and pictured it out for him. And he understood what I meant. Then I explained that baptism is similar to that, we need our Saviours blood symbolically flowing through our veins, that’s what baptism does. We need his righteous blood instead of ours.

I believe he got it.
Actually, I believe he better understands the gospel and baptism than I did when I was baptized about 25 years ago at 23...and I have never once 2nd guessed my baptism.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Could you explain a little more in detail?

What are you trying to say?

Your mind, your will and emotions is part of your soul "our expressed, manifested man."

While the heart is part of the spirit "our hidden man."

If belief only comes from your mind, will, and emotion not from your inner most being the only part of you that can really understand God, then is that real belief at all? The soul can be coerced and follow the flesh at the drop of a dime, if the Spirit isn't persuaded. That would be only a intellectual belief, and most the problems we see in modern day Pentecost comes from this very thing.

While I do realize that it has to also include these areas, belief doesn't begin there. If it does it begins there and ends there. When I say heart I mean it as a synonymous term meaning my human spirit, not just a fleshly organ that bumps in my chest. But as the old adage says "the heart of the matter." I think we would all agree that the spirit of man is that when dealing with human beings.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

Last night my 10 year old son was baptized.


He had mentioned wanting to do so, over the last several months.
Yesterday afternoon, he asked if he could get baptized. I said, no son let’s hold off a little longer. He said, dad why can’t I?
I said there’s some things I want to make sure you understand first.
He was very disappointed.
Earlier in the summer- fall, when he had asked, I tried to persuade him into going to the river, having the church meet us there, the old fashion way. He kinda drug his feet on that because he didn’t want to be a spectacle(embarrassment).

Yesterday afternoon, after I told him no, my wife approached me about changing my mind.
So, after bible quiz practice, before “service” began, I had about a 10-15 minute talk w my son.
While thinking back now typing this, I’m kicking myself in the hind end for not mentioning the word repentance. Can u believe that? However, my son thankfully is aware of what repentance is.

I explained to him to make sure he understood, what the gospel(good news) is, that because of our sin, we should’ve been on that cross, but Jesus took our place. And to be baptized was to make a lifelong commitment, a covenant w our Saviour to give our life to him. To try to be sinless every day. If we ever fail, our Saviours blood will cover our mistake, yet we will try our best to not continue to sin.
I quoted him where the nt scriptural baptism verses are found, and told him I did so so as to make him aware that we are doing things the Bible way.

In the end, I made sure he understood mans sin, the cross and it’s purpose- Christ’ righteousness and our unrighteousness.
Turning from sin and lifelong Covenant relationship w our Saviour.
Obedience to His scriptural instruction to be baptized.

I did NOT “verbally enforce” the necessity of his understanding that baptism was for the purpose of remitting his sin. I would say he pretty much gets it, he has Acts 2:38 memorized, and he’s definitely a thinker. He has written questions ready for me to answer on my coffee maker(like, dad since animals decided to kill when Adam and Eve sinned(death entered), why didn’t the animals eat Adam and Eve?)

My pastor asked me if I wanted to baptize him.
I was going to but my son asked for our pastor to because it would just get more attention if I did it and he was embarrassed. So, our pastor buried him w Christ.

I’m not sure what all was said to the Phillipian jailer at midnight, but I’m trusting our was equally as effective.

I told my son in our short talk, (along with the sin explanation) I said you know how when in a hospital and we need new blood to a transfusion, they use an IV, and pictured it out for him. And he understood what I meant. Then I explained that baptism is similar to that, we need our Saviours blood symbolically flowing through our veins, that’s what baptism does. We need his righteous blood instead of ours.

I believe he got it.
Actually, I believe he better understands the gospel and baptism than I did when I was baptized about 25 years ago at 23...and I have never once 2nd guessed my baptism.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

In our church it has been said over, and over again. If we baptize you in Jesus name. Before you get baptized, you absolutely know how, and why you are being baptized in Jesus name. I don't baptize anyone who doesn't know what is going on. I don't baptize the UNBELIEVER. Meaning, dunk first, learn later. I have watched individuals get a speed reading lesson in the baptistry of Acts 2:38. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. That's just me, anyone else can do as they are lead by the Lord Jesus Christ in their own congregation, church family. There are people who hadn't a clue why they were being baptized in Jesus name, what it was all about. They just knew that they needed to be baptized, and they came up speaking in tongues. Yet, there are also people who got baptized for mommy and daddy, or PeePaw wanted them to get baptized. Or the spouse or pastor wanted Joe Sinner to get in the tank. They were lost then, and they are still lost now. Baptized in Jesus name, but as lost as a potato.

We start teaching what baptism is for in our baby class.
an after thought Christ is not a last name. The word has two meanings The anointed one or Messiah

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Light

We start teaching what baptism is for in our baby class.
an after thought Christ is not a last name. The word has two meanings The anointed one or Messiah

It’s not a last name?!

Thank you so much for telling us this.

How about Santa Claus? Is Claus his last name?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Light

We start teaching what baptism is for in our baby class.
an after thought Christ is not a last name. The word has two meanings The anointed one or Messiah

So your telling me Joseph and Mary's last name wasn't Christ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So your telling me Joseph and Mary's last name wasn't Christ?

It’s not?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It’s not?

This is life shattering information, where do I go from here?