Charlottesville, Trump, GOPe and Pentecostals

[jfrog]

@Jermyn

As always history is always more complex than we attempt to make it out to be...

Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:

..............I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

[Amanah]

there are some interesting posts of facebook

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There has been a wave of mob protests across the country demanding the..removal of controversial statues from coast to coast.
Sometimes, those protesters become violent and sometimes the protesters forcibly remove the statues themselves. In one instance in North Carolina, protesters were arrested for vandalizing and tearing down a Confederate statue. The statues targeted for removal are typically offensive to some and politically incorrect to others. They range from slave-owning generals to America's founding fathers.
One group of concerned citizens is taking direct action against a statue of a well-known, controversial figure in American history. His name is Bill Clinton. Clinton was president of the United States from 1992 to 2000. He is the only modern president to be impeached for lying under oath.
He also has a long and sad..history as an alleged sexual predator. His many affairs and accusations are detailed at length here. They include, but are not limited to:

Juanita Broaddrick
Kathleen Willey
Paula Jones
Monica Lewinsky
Sandra Allen James
Eileen Wellstone
Carolyn Moffet
Carolyn Zercher
Gennifer Flowers
Helen Dowdy

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In the wake of protesters tearing down statues that offend them, Mike Huckabee asked a simple question: Can he tear down things that he disagrees with?
For instance, abortion clinics.
In an interview with Fox News, Wednesday, the former Arkansas governor and GOP presidential candidate floated the idea of tearing down abortion clinics because they “offend” him.
Anarchists go and just tear down the statues because they are impatient with politicians doing it. That is not — that is not acceptable behavior, it is vandalism, it is anarchy, and it would be like me saying 'I don’t like abortion clinics, so I’m going to go to tear them down because I find them offensive.'

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So, When Are We Going To Take Down The Statue Of Racist Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger?

[Esaias]

America is conquered, only a conquered nation has its founders vilified as evil.

Not hyperbole, not metaphor. Reality.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There are a relative FEW people who are "honored" and actually WAGED WAR AGAINST AMERICA in order to further slavery-- for economic and/or for racial supremacist views.

Nobody has done this. The South did not "wage war against America". It was the other way around.

So no, Mt. Rushmore doesn't need to come down.

Bringing up President Kennedy, MLK, and others for their PERSONAL moral failures is a miserable attempt to lump "all of those good but flawed men" into one basket.

This is what happens when people honor evil people and try to present their perversion of history in a positive light.

Why would any Christian say there is anything honorable about Robert Lee?

You could ask the former slaves that adored him, if they were not all dead.

That is a dishonest thing to do-- given the gravity of TREASON AND MURDER and the effects it has on so many, many people.

You must be referring to Lincoln.

[Originalist]

Why are the people of Charlottesville not being given a chance to decide the statue question by way of referendum?

[Esaias]

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, Lee and Jackson were taken down overnight because muh state security and was replaced by a papier mache statue, called Madre Luz or Mother Light, a statue of a pregnant black woman, with a baby on her back, rainbow sash, and fist held in the air in a Black Power type salute.

Can you imagine the uproar if a statue of MLK was removed, and protestors put up in its place a statue of a pregnant white woman holding, say, a rebel battle flag or making a sieg heil salute?

Anyway, someone knocked the statue over and broke it.

And, meanwhile in Chicago, that statue of Lincoln that was spray painted, burned, and defaced? Where some alderman claimed it was evil white wacisses that did it? Apparently turns out the damage had been done back on 4 July by some "teenage youths" (ie young black males) who were partying in the area and lighting bottle rockets off it.

[Amanah]

Trump Supporters Demand Seattle’s Lenin Monument be Removed

If there’s anything worse than people constantly miserable, upset, and insulted by everything in existence, it’s the people who look at them and take pity and tell their stories as if no one in the world suffers more than these people at this moment in time.

One of the remedies, of course, is to point out the whininess, meltdowns, tantrums, tirades and breath-holding sessions that appear to dominate the everyday life of the American Leftist... These crybabies will not rest until every single instance of anything even remotely intolerable is erased from existence.

The Right has become the staunch upholder of First Amendment rights in recent days only because of the unhinged push to take such rights away from every individual in the country, except those who are Left-minded... The Regressives have been pressing Americans to travel back in time to embrace our former racist selves and segregate ourselves by ethnicity and thought.

The Right has responded by taking on the role of supporting the First Amendment... Until now... In a bid to match wits with the witless, and make useless the Leftist useful idiots, Right-wing activists are now ripping a page right out of the Leftist Playbook and demanding the removal or tearing down of the Lenin Statue in Seattle.

Turn the page to read the tweets and watch the video of the raucous protest that will, no doubt, be peaceful, but presented in a much different light by the Leftist press!

http://www.truthandaction.org/trump-...nt-be-removed/

[Amanah]

what I just posted on FB

So liberals will defend the Immersion (Piss Christ) as art, bestowing awards upon it, but artistic depictions of the confederacy are being destroyed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
Liberals are what is wrong with this country.

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and, I just deleted the post because it is too angry.

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I Posted "Turn off the news and love your neighbor" and my Pastor "liked" it lol.

[Esaias]

Makes you wonder what the backlash against all this leftist insanity is going to look like. Probably not very pretty, at all.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There are a relative FEW people who are "honored" and actually WAGED WAR AGAINST AMERICA in order to further slavery-- for economic and/or for racial supremacist views.

So no, Mt. Rushmore doesn't need to come down.

Bringing up President Kennedy, MLK, and others for their PERSONAL moral failures is a miserable attempt to lump "all of those good but flawed men" into one basket.

This is what happens when people honor evil people and try to present their perversion of history in a positive light.

Why would any Christian say there is anything honorable about Robert Lee?

That is a dishonest thing to do-- given the gravity of TREASON AND MURDER and the effects it has on so many, many people.

So much for the tenth amendment.