Heading toward Civil War?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If your ancestors were white supremacists or slave-owners who believed that black people were less than human, then yes, you and your ancestors would be grouped in the same lump of hateful and evil men and women like Hitler.

Why would you want to hold on to anything connected to such a flawed and hateful group of people or anything that would commemorate their hate?

Every state in the United States allowed slavery at one time. Most of our founding fathers practiced slavery. Why esteem them?

Why would we want to hold on to any of those things connected to slavery and such flawed and hateful people? I think the answer is obvious.

Why hold on to the constitution that originally included the 3/5ths compromise? It's connected to slavery right?

Even more so for me, my home state of Virginia was deeply connected to slavery just as long as any other state in the union. Why hold on to home right?

Or is it just civil war era slavery stuff that gets your feathers in a ruffle?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Confederates were hateful.
The Confederates were racist.
The Confederates were treasonous.
The Confederates were murderers.

So tell me, why should we have anything that would publicly commemorate such despicable people?

Not only were they wrong, but many of them fought, bled, and died under the Judement of God on this nation for practicing and defending such an evil!

Why honor such a despicable group of people or anything associated with their wickedness?

Lincoln and the people who voted for him wanted to "free the slaves" because they wanted to round them all up and ship them back to Africa.

Many northern states made it illegal for blacks to even BE in their states, unlike the southern states.

Many slave owners were black. And some of them owned white slaves.

The Union flag, the Union Constitution, and the Union government, Union leaders, and Union businesses all: Enshrined slavery into the Constitution, supported the slave trade, legally disenfranchised blacks everywhere, outlawed slavery in northern states because they didn't want any blacks to ever live there, so on and so forth.

George Washington, Sam Adams, the whole bunch of founding fathers of the UNION were a bunch of slave owners seceding from and waging war against non-slave owning Britain.

Union forces literally raped and pillaged their way across the South. POWs were routinely executed or denied medical care. The South was burnt to ashes in many areas, literally, with women and children butchered by the Union flag wavers in the name of Jesus and national unity.

But, the Confederates were the bad guys. Slaves and free blacks volunteered for the Confederate army, eventually forming their own units. Meanwhile, the Union was drafting people who took to rioting and burning down their cities, because most northernors had no interest in fighting other white people to help black slaves.

Sorry, some of us actually know our history.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am sorry.

I apologize Esaias.

I promise, I am sincere.

Apology accepted. Don't sweat it.

[Jermyn Davidson]

There were not "many" black slave owners and I am sure they did not associate the idea of slavery and racial superiority.

The Confederates betrayed their country on order to preserve that inhumane institution. They killed in soldiers and civilians alike in order to defend the indefensible in the name of racial superiority.

How is it possible to paint thsee participants and their horrible-ness in a positive light?

How is there any honor in anything specifically associated with them?

Why should I be forced to pay my tax dollars to build and maintain shrines to devils that would have gladly killed me or kept me subjugated to their hateful views?

The Confederates didn't just stand against what was good for me. They stood against what was good for the whole country.

Why should we honor them publicly?

These folks were not our founding fathers! They fought against the nation our founding fathere established and they lost.

Why honor traitors?

What other country on earth honors those who betrayed them?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Lincoln and the people who voted for him wanted to "free the slaves" because they wanted to round them all up and ship them back to Africa.

Many northern states made it illegal for blacks to even BE in their states, unlike the southern states.

Many slave owners were black. And some of them owned white slaves.

The Union flag, the Union Constitution, and the Union government, Union leaders, and Union businesses all: Enshrined slavery into the Constitution, supported the slave trade, legally disenfranchised blacks everywhere, outlawed slavery in northern states because they didn't want any blacks to ever live there, so on and so forth.

George Washington, Sam Adams, the whole bunch of founding fathers of the UNION were a bunch of slave owners seceding from and waging war against non-slave owning Britain.

Union forces literally raped and pillaged their way across the South. POWs were routinely executed or denied medical care. The South was burnt to ashes in many areas, literally, with women and children butchered by the Union flag wavers in the name of Jesus and national unity.

But, the Confederates were the bad guys. Slaves and free blacks volunteered for the Confederate army, eventually forming their own units. Meanwhile, the Union was drafting people who took to rioting and burning down their cities, because most northernors had no interest in fighting other white people to help black slaves.

Sorry, some of us actually know our history.

And my point in all this is that attempting to erase history by denigrating monuments and memorials to men who, though flawed like all men of their time, nevertheless stand head and shoulders above the rabble of today with their queer agendas, perversions, and Antichrist politics, is not only stupid, but EVIL on a level the Late Unpleasantness cannot even compare to.

Why? Because communist rewriting of history is a genuine act of genocide, a prelude to nightmares that make the Holocaust look like a Sunday picnic.

This nation is literally teetering on the edge of the Abyss. Like it or lump it, certain agendas are being played out and you and I are just cannon fodder. The prize?

Your grandkids.

[Jermyn Davidson]

You are misrepresenting history. The blacks who fought in the Civil War, fought with the notion of ending slavery. There were not any black Americans fighting to actually PRESERVE the very institution that dehumanized them, broke up their families, raped their wives-- when they were even allowed to marry.

[Jermyn Davidson]

We shouldn't erase their wickedness from our history books.

Neither should we honor them as heroes.

These people were not honorable people.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There were not "many" black slave owners and I am sure they did not associate the idea of slavery and racial superiority.

The Confederates betrayed their country on order to preserve that inhumane institution. They killed in soldiers and civilians alike in order to defend the indefensible in the name of racial superiority.

How is it possible to paint thsee participants and their horrible-ness in a positive light?

How is there any honor in anything specifically associated with them?

Why should I be forced to pay my tax dollars to build and maintain shrines to devils that would have gladly killed me or kept me subjugated to their hateful views?

The Confederates didn't just stand against what was good for me. They stood against what was good for the whole country.

Why should we honor them publicly?

These folks were not our founding fathers! They fought against the nation our founding fathere established and they lost.

Why honor traitors?

What other country on earth honors those who betrayed them?

You just don't get it and probably won't get it. Do you honour the nation whose founding fathers brought slaves to North America? That enshrined segregation into law? That declared blacks only counted as partial humans?

Because that's America, buddy. The Stars and Stripes. The UNION.

Traitors? The Union was founded as an act of treason against England. Founding Fathers? Traitors, every one of them.

Did you not join up to fight and kill in the name of that Union, under that banner?

Hypocrisy, perhaps?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You are misrepresenting history. The blacks who fought in the Civil War, fought with the notion of ending slavery. There were not any black Americans fighting to actually PRESERVE the very institution that dehumanized them, broke up their families, raped their wives-- when they were even allowed to marry.

You think the millions of poor white Southerners were fighting to protect the institution of slavery?

Why would blacks VOLUNTEER for the Confederacy? They were REFUSED until finally they were authorized to join, so don't try to make out like they were "forced", either.

Sorry, but I didn't learn history in public school, I actually read a book or two.

[Esaias]

Black Lives Matter - not only racist and bigoted, but classical Marxist to boot -

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/...ional-marxism/

"BLM has turned its back on intersectional theory, the modern conflict theory that birthed safe spaces, trigger warnings, and the Oppression Olympics. Instead, BLM is rebirthing the traditional class struggle, reframing it in terms of black and white.

The policy platform proposed by BLM in August did nothing to hide this traditionalism. Its calls for collective ownership of resources, banks, and businesses, a highly progressive income tax, a guaranteed minimum income, and government jobs are lifted straight from the pages of Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto.” Here are two excerpts for comparison:

“Communist Manifesto”: Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Black Lives Matter: A right to restored land, clean air, clean water and housing and an end to the exploitative privatization of natural resources — including land and water. We seek democratic control over how resources are preserved, used and distributed and do so while honoring and respecting the rights of our Indigenous family.
Black vs. White Is the New Proletariat vs. Bourgeoisie
But more important is BLM’s use of the black versus white dichotomy. While race has a long history as a wedge issue, BLM incorporates nearly all forms of modern marginalization—“including but not limited to those who are women, queer, trans, femmes, gender nonconforming, Muslim, formerly and currently incarcerated, cash poor and working class, differently-abled, undocumented, and immigrant”—into blackness. Conversely, whiteness represents all forms of privilege (economic, social, and legal) throughout the platform."