What is the GOSPEL?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Actually I believe you are wrong, as we have skirted this issue several times in the past. First let me say I don't believe one must put two passages together from two or more books or letters to build a doctrine. In doing so is IMO one way we add to the word of God.

John 3:5 is a prime example When Nic. ask about entering his mothers womb a second time, he directed his answer to that question. Baptism in never spoken in scripture as a birth ever. To ignore the many passages that say "he that believeth on him shall be saved"

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Gal_3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The devil also believes, and trembles.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jito463

The devil also believes, and trembles.

Has he also repented of his sins?


Your argument is invalid.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Has he also repented of his sins?


Your argument is invalid.

Oh, so there is more than just belief.

Just saying.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Oh, so there is more than just belief.

Just saying.

Ahhhh

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

both were what one did

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

one must put two passages together

For ye are all the children of God
it is the gift of God:

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

WHO SHARED WITH YOU?

they started becoming one with Jews as the two sticks were put together
two men were taken, and one man was actually made from two separate people.

A slave and yet a free man, a female and a male, flesh and spirit

BEHOLD, YE ARE BOTH.''

wheat and tares; they go together

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by shag

I have friends that belief in Jesus the Christ, and the message of the cross, but have not made any commitment toward following Christ. They surely are not born again. However, Loren, you are more saying that one must "believe"-defined as "trusting in, clinging to, and relying on, (Amplified-believe-Jn 3:16), "a commitment from the heart, brought about by faith/believing in, correct?

I would have to ask you to define a bit more "have not made a commitment". Most of us from apostolic backgrounds see making a commitment differently, based on our never ending list of works much like the Pharisee community in the days of Christ. One need only to review the Sermon on the mount to understand what Christ meant by making a commitment. Basically "Love God and love your neighbor as yourself".

If one believes in Christ and loves God and their neighbor as there selves, can we say they have not made a commitment from the heart, brought about by faith?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Jito463

The devil also believes, and trembles.

What does that have to do with being saved or not. James is not writing to people that are not saved. And he is not directing his thoughts as to what one needs to do to be saved. The whole context of the chapter 2 is that one needs to show works after salvation.

Too many have taken verse one,
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

See it has the words "faith, saved, and works" it must mean... I can justify a works based salvation. Many say in the face of all the scriptures that say salvation is not of works, that James is refuting those very passages. Not so, James use of Satan as an example is only to show the importance of works after salvation. Did not Christ himself say "they shall know you are my disciples by your love one to another?"

To God Abraham had righteousness imputed to him by faith, not works. Romans 4. But Abraham proved his faith by his works by offering Isaac. Was Abraham saved before he offered his son or after?

The only thing James is saying is, "I will show my faith by my works".

[shazeep]

nice!

Originally Posted by Jito463

The devil also believes, and trembles.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Most of us
making a commitment differently
based on our never ending list of works

to understand what Christ meant
loves God and their neighbor as there selves
made a commitment from the heart
brought about by faith?

Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and one left.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

both were what one did

exaaactly