Republican leaders voting Hillary?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

THIS. +1

Unfortunately, you will see what the ACA was actually designed to do, too, and then there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. But, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame the GOP.

And let's not forget, if it wasn't for the GOP, we wouldn't HAVE the ACA.

Blah, blah, blah.

Who wants people getting a free ride on the backs of others? Those who advocate the Republican NO-Care approach wherein we pay inflated prices to cover the uninsured's ER visits??? Or those who advocate the Democratic plan wherein everyone purchases a plan to cover their needs?

It's not rocket science.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS

So they are going to vote for more of the same mess we have had for the last 8 years.
More abortion'
More homosexual agenda
Lose our gun rights
Lies and more lies
Can't remember anything
Lose our religious liberties
More money given to the enemy
AND the list goes on.

No I will NOT vote for someone who believes in killing the unborn. Homosexuality is SIN, sin.

Actually, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, under President Clinton the Abortion rate was at a then 30 year all time low. It spiked up under President Bush, and then leveled out under President Obama. Why? As they say, "It's the economy stupid." When America is bleeding jobs, parents can't find work, they opted out of health insurance because they can't afford to pay the rising premiums, wages are stagnate, and the economy is teetering on collapse.... yes.... more people choose to abort. However, if jobs are increasing and becoming more available, health insurance is available, wages are increasing, and the economy is looking good.... people feel safe enough financially to raise families. It's really a no brainer.

With that in mind, consider that the Republicans have done next to NOTHING to overturn Roe. Under Bush they had the strongest Republican White House in a generation, controlled congress, AND had a majority conservative Supreme Court. And was abortion overturned???? NOPE. They want the issue alive for the next election to fool dunderheads who don't see the game they're playing. They love the high abortion rates when their economy tanks, it helps give fuel to curse "choice" to keep religiously gullible people pulling "R" in the voting booth even though they're selling the nation down the river. A vote for a Republican, is a vote for the false hope of abortion being banned and more abortion, not less.

Gay agenda? Who cares. What people do in their bedrooms and who they marry isn't our business. Besides, prohibiting gay marriage isn't going to stop gays from being gay or having sex. What legalization will do is provide a legal framework wherein promiscuity in the gay community will become lower on account of the prospects of "gay divorce".

Gun rights? You either trust God or you don't.

All politicians lie. That's why it is important not to wax moralist when dealing with politics.

Religious liberties? Right. Religious liberties aren't going to be lost. Now, I do advocate that they tax churches. Churches rake in over $71 billion a year that they don't pay taxes on. That's enough to fund the entire Social Welfare program of the entire nation. The way I see it, if churches are going to meddle in politics, they should pay to play like the rest of us. I seem to remember something about rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

More money given to the enemy? Republicans are for fueling foreign economies with American jobs. Get real.

[Aquila]

My fiancé's mother can finally afford the health insurance she needs. Thanks to the ACA.

Sadly, Republicans have prevented the Medicare expansions in over 27 states that are a part of the ACA. This has driven up prices for the very people the plan was designed to help. Of course, no Republican or Conservative will admit it. But it's there. Look it up and research it. They are working feverishly to sabotage the ACA so they can whine and complain that it is a failure. And who is paying for it? People who desperately need the program. Republicans don't care. Those people can go die in the gutters and the Republicans wouldn't care one bit.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Republicans don't care. Those people can go die in the gutters and the Republicans wouldn't care one bit.

This guy was pleading for people not to "lower themselves" speculating on Hillary's health condition, claiming people are lying by doing so, yet he posts this nasty and ridiculous lie.

Typical liberal hypocrite.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

My fiancé's mother can finally afford the health insurance she needs. Thanks to the ACA.

Sadly, Republicans have prevented the Medicare expansions in over 27 states that are a part of the ACA. This has driven up prices for the very people the plan was designed to help. Of course, no Republican or Conservative will admit it. But it's there. Look it up and research it. They are working feverishly to sabotage the ACA so they can whine and complain that it is a failure. And who is paying for it? People who desperately need the program. Republicans don't care. Those people can go die in the gutters and the Republicans wouldn't care one bit.

You sir are a cad.
Always wanted to say that.
Seriously, I wouldn't care if people go die in the gutters????
You have no clue.
As before PROVEN, Republicans are far more willing to personally help people then the Dems.
It's easy to help people with OTHER people's money.
And the reason that states are not willing to expand Medicare is because they will not be able to afford it after the federal money dries up.
As someone, (maybe Will Rogers), said, The Democrats really like poor people, because they keep making more of them.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

This guy was pleading for people not to "lower themselves" speculating on Hillary's health condition, claiming people are lying by doing so, yet he posts this nasty and ridiculous lie.

Typical liberal hypocrite.

It's documented that the Republicans have drug their feet on the abortion issue. They don't take their religious constituents seriously. Besides, if they actually resolved the abortion issue, you might be tempted to look more deeply into economic, social, and healthcare related issues. Issues they historically fail at.

Keeping abortion legal is one of the few hopes Republicans have.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

You sir are a cad.
Always wanted to say that.
Seriously, I wouldn't care if people go die in the gutters????
You have no clue.
As before PROVEN, Republicans are far more willing to personally help people then the Dems.
It's easy to help people with OTHER people's money.
And the reason that states are not willing to expand Medicare is because they will not be able to afford it after the federal money dries up.
As someone, (maybe Will Rogers), said, The Democrats really like poor people, because they keep making more of them.

Who nearly tanked the economy???? The Bush Administration. The worst economic condition the nation has been in since the Great Depression. And the reason why states haven't approved the Medicare expansion as listed in the ACA is because of Republican obstructionism. Meanwhile, many who need the insurance languish. If the Republicans cared.... why not allow for the expansion to help those hurting NOW... and offer a better plan as part of their platform in the future???

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Who nearly tanked the economy???? The Bush Administration. The worst economic condition the nation has been in since the Great Depression. And the reason why states haven't approved the Medicare expansion as listed in the ACA is because of Republican obstructionism. Meanwhile, many who need the insurance languish. If the Republicans cared.... why not allow for the expansion to help those hurting NOW... and offer a better plan as part of their platform in the future???

Wrong.
Go read this list of who was to blame for the housing crisis.
Dems were to blame, (as well as Republicans) as Time mag said about Bill Clinton
link
http://content.time.com/time/special...877322,00.html
snippet
In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's documented that the Republicans have drug their feet on the abortion issue. They don't take their religious constituents seriously. Besides, if they actually resolved the abortion issue, you might be tempted to look more deeply into economic, social, and healthcare related issues. Issues they historically fail at.

Keeping abortion legal is one of the few hopes Republicans have.

I don't believe they've drug their feet on the issue at all. States have constantly passed abortion bills only to have courts strike them down.

Also, since we're blaming parties for inaction and dragging feet on issues, let's examine the Democrats. They claim to be the party for the middle class and minorities, and yet BOTH groups are worse after 8 years under obama. They did nothing while in control of Congress the first few years of the obama administration.

Taking constituents seriously...Democrats don't take minorities seriously. Or the middle class for whom they claim to fight.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Who nearly tanked the economy???? The Bush Administration. The worst economic condition the nation has been in since the Great Depression. And the reason why states haven't approved the Medicare expansion as listed in the ACA is because of Republican obstructionism. Meanwhile, many who need the insurance languish. If the Republicans cared.... why not allow for the expansion to help those hurting NOW... and offer a better plan as part of their platform in the future???

I see you have SMR (Selective Memory Recall).

Do you recall the .net bubble burst under Clinton? Recall that it happened right before BJ left office, and Bush got in.

Recall - as aegsm76 already posted - that it was the Dems who caused the housing bubble.

Recall that we had a major terrorist attack on our soil, mere months after Bush took office.

Now, you can choose whether to blame him for the wars. Frankly, I believe the Afghanistan war was essential. As for the Iraq war, I believe it was ultimately justified, but there are other ways we could have gone about it. Rather than get into a drawn out war, we should have just sent in a team to take out Hussein. Nevertheless, Hussein had to go (much like our Hussein has to go....just a few more months now).

On the topic of Obama, recall that because of the MASSIVE spending under Obama (remember the Porkulus bill...a.k.a. the Stimulus?), the recession we were in was extended far beyond what it should have lasted. Any time you take money from the private sector, during a recession, all you end up doing is worsening the recession.

Recall that when Obama took office, there were ~60 million who were no longer seeking employment. Now, there's over 90 million who have left the labor force. That's a 50% increase.

Recall that those jobs we're supposedly adding to the economy, are lower wage/fewer hour jobs. They are not full time, high paying jobs.

Finally, recall that under Obama, our debt has risen from $10 trillion to $19 trillion. Nearly DOUBLE the debt, that every other president before him had accrued, COMBINED!

So, tell me again how it's all Bush's fault?

Bush isn't perfect, and there's plenty I can find to fault him for; but placing the blame for our economy on him, is ignoring the reality of the situation Bush took over from Clinton. The difference was, Bush didn't spend his entire two terms, whining about what he inherited from the previous president. Unlike our current president, who spent the first four years - and his reelection campaign - moaning about what he inherited from Bush, instead of trying to actually do something about it. Instead, he just made things worse.