"Let Us Prey"-Hunter Lundy

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I rather think that if someone is going to make a claim, that in every case a minister with a moral failure can never be restored to the ministry, they would have to have scripture to back up a claim like that. So for church leadership to restore such a one after sufficient discipline would not be "unbiblical" since there is no scripture saying they should not do so.

There is a burden of proof on both sides. Whoever makes a claim should prove it.

So again, my question: What Biblical authority does a man have for re entering ministry after adultery?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So if he repents, never returns to the pulpit, but bears fruit of righteousness from then on, is he still a dirtbag?

I don't know, ask the blog author. Not sure that's his point. He believes in restoration, just not to ministry.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't know, ask the blog author. Not sure that's his point. He believes in restoration, just not to ministry.

I will admit, if I was on a committee to choose a new pastor for my church, and one of the candidates had committed adultery as a licensed minister, I would have to really pray about giving him my approval.

Now if the event had happened when he was 20, and he was now 50, had submitted to discipline and leadership could vouch for him, I'd have to consider it.

But that brings up another point. What if someone was a licensed minister, surrendered their license, backslid, came back to God, lived many years as a faithful Christian...do they qualify for ministry?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I highly recommend this book by Hunter Lundy, a leading prosecutor in the team that represented Marvin Gorman in the Gorman vs. Swaggart trial.

Having worked for Jimmy Swaggart Ministries from 1984-88, I could really relate and bear witness to this book. I was actually there when the house of Swaggart fell. This book details what was probably one of the worst cases of spiritual abuse ever known in the Pentecostal ranks. Having been a licensed minister in both the Assemblies of God and the United Pentecostal Church, I can say that spiritual abuse is about equal in both groups, but only manifests itself a little differently in each.

I caution whoever may read this book to understand that there is some very graphic sexual content in some of the chapters that was brought up in the investigation. Reader beware.

http://www.amazon.com/Let-Us-Prey-Pu...s=hunter+lundy

You know good and well that if a book is not written by a Oneness Pentecostal / Apostolic it cannot be beneficial at all. (with the exception of the Readers Digest and Louis L'amour western novels of course)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I think you are WAY off base.

Statement you made cannot be judged either way unless you explain how I'm WAY off base.

So please explain.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

You know good and well that if a book is not written by a Oneness Pentecostal / Apostolic it cannot be beneficial at all. (with the exception of the Readers Digest and Louis L'amour western novels of course)

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

I always thought OP's with that perspective must have really hated the PPH / Word Aflame bookstores at campmeetings and GC since the majority of books were by non Oneness folks!

We have had AFFer's seriously make the case I jokingly stated.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I will admit, if I was on a committee to choose a new pastor for my church, and one of the candidates had committed adultery as a licensed minister, I would have to really pray about giving him my approval.

Now if the event had happened when he was 20, and he was now 50, had submitted to discipline and leadership could vouch for him, I'd have to consider it.

But that brings up another point. What if someone was a licensed minister, surrendered their license, backslid, came back to God, lived many years as a faithful Christian...do they qualify for ministry?

My brother what does it mean to lay hands on no man suddenly? How do you become a partaker in his sins when you do? Also a novice isn't supposed to preach niether an unmarried man who hasn't shown he can rule his own home.
The scripture warns be ye not many teachers because you will receive greater damnation? What does that mean?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My brother what does it mean to lay hands on no man suddenly? How do you become a partaker in his sins when you do? Also a novice isn't supposed to preach niether an unmarried man who hasn't shown he can rule his own home.
The scripture warns be ye not many teachers because you will receive greater damnation? What does that mean?

What would an unmarried man have to rule in his own home if there is no wife and kids?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

I always thought OP's with that perspective must have really hated the PPH / Word Aflame bookstores at campmeetings and GC since the majority of books were by non Oneness folks!

We have had AFFer's seriously make the case I jokingly stated.

Really hated? My own experience with brothers is that they read non oneness material. Ones who claim they only read the KJV or Bible onlyists really misunderstand what they state. If they come against an author or book they usually have a good reason. If they just blurt out they never read anything that isn't Oneness then with a little Q&A you may find out different. Now as far as Cowboy fiction I know just a few who read it, but I've never heard Cowboy fiction quoted over a pulpit.