- Headbands - apparently this is a fashion craze for UPC women now. The latest alternative to real jewelry. Some decorated with rhinestones or other colorful things. Not a mass of them but enough to catch my eye and not something I have seen anywhere else.
I have noticed women at IHOP wearing them for a few years. Back in the Jesus movement men and women both wore them. I like them myself.
Now if Texas could just stop losing its biggest churches! (Rex, Jimbo, the one in Ft. Worth area recently and in the past the Jones in Humble and Green also in the Houston area.)
some of those guys were going to leave because they made the business decision that they would have more people if they didn't push baptism and the HG.
don't mean to be crass but that's what it was. Some of them left because the org was doing the wrong thing.
not gonna rehash all that but I am very happy with the restructuring.
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These were pastors that made the decision to not teach baptism and the Holy Ghost? This is heartbreaking to me. They might get more people, but those people need to be taught the truth! Will be a sad day when those 'leaders' stand before God...
These were pastors that made the decision to not teach baptism and the Holy Ghost? This is heartbreaking to me. They might get more people, but those people need to be taught the truth! Will be a sad day when those 'leaders' stand before God...
pastors of the largest churches in texas... not all but more than a few.
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These were pastors that made the decision to not teach baptism and the Holy Ghost? This is heartbreaking to me. They might get more people, but those people need to be taught the truth! Will be a sad day when those 'leaders' stand before God...
It is not accurate to say they do not teach baptism and the Holy Ghost and Ferd knows it.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Liles is the name I was trying to think of and couldn't recall.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
It is not accurate to say they do not teach baptism and the Holy Ghost and Ferd knows it.
Ferd said these pastors made the decision not to 'push' baptism and the Holy Ghost. I just assumed if they're not 'pushing' it, they're not teaching it. I think he's probably in a position to know.
Ferd said these pastors made the decision not to 'push' baptism and the Holy Ghost. I just assumed if they're not 'pushing' it, they're not teaching it. I think he's probably in a position to know.
He and I both know the major players and each other! LOL
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
In all instances the baptize in Jesus Name. In some instances that and infilling of the Holy Ghost is vital.
In some instances, those things are far less important than the number of people walking thru the door.
I do know the players.. and I know a few who walk in their circles even better. I have good friends... well they were good friends...evidently I started smelling bad or something... who I started ministry with, who were committed to the Apostolic message... that now are really supercool and when you go to their church and make the mistake of getting close to acting Pentecostal, you are ushered off to a side room. don't want to freak the natives out etc.
Its a sad sad thing when I see guys that I worked alters with. Guys whos anointing I once knew. Guys that I know, they know the power of God active in their lives. and now?
more Baptist than Pentecostal. more Methodist than Holiness. More Business Decision than God decision.
More likely to ask a person if they have made a "decision for Christ" than they are to ask them have they received the Holy Ghost since they repented.
It breaks my heart. I have never been a hard liner. im not looking for lockstep purity in understanding, doctrine, or methodology. But man alive some guys I have spent time with. serious time with. working alters and preaching and teaching.... well... I didn't change.
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