Where's The Disgust About Baltimore?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Answer the question stop dodging it. What could he have done to warrant the beat down? I am not asking you for what happened. If I resist arrest I would expect to get tazed, pepper sprayed, and or roughed up enough to restrain me. I would not expect to get beat to death. The fact that you think there is something he "COULD'VE" done to warrant that is part of the problem as well. We arent talking about a man with a gun here. We are talking about a man already in cuffs. You want to stick up for cops so bad that you let your love affair cloud the issue. If the facts come out and disprove my line of thinking, I'll have no issue saying I was wrong.

"We don't know" what happened in the van. Let's see what we can learn and then I will talk with you about it. Perhaps we will agree at that point.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"We don't know".....what happened in the van. "We don't know". I am not going to start acting like Al Sharpton and wait for further information.

Im sorry. I realized I am asking the question in the wrong way. Ill try again. In your mind, is there something that an unarmed handcuffed man could do to warrant the type of injuries this kid sustained? Im sorry, having a past that includes dealing drugs isnt something that warrants that.

There are a few theories that have arisen. One, his neck was broken when they cuffed and folded his body up while placing their knee on his neck. Still excessive force if you ask me. Two, they slammed on the breaks while he was in the van and the forward force of him slamming into the van wall is what broke his neck. Still doesnt explain the crushed wind pipe. Regardless, its been almost a month of nothing but silence regarding the incident that started with an arrest that was without incident.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

We do know he was taken into custody without incident. Per the officer and per pictures and videos of the arrest. So what warrants what happened to him? You are ok with a gang style beat down of a handcuffed man? You are dodging the question and ignoring what little facts we know. If he did do something to justify the beating it would have come out by now. They are quick to release facts that help them.

Where did you read that there was a gang style beat down of a handcuffed man? All I've read is the man was arrested without incident, meaning BOTH Gray AND the police didn't scuffle or have any physical confrontation when he was arrested. There's video which proves this.

Whatever happened to Gray, happened in the wagon. Per a CNN and other reports, the polices wagons have cages (for lack of a better word) to separate the suspects from one another and from any officer riding along in the back.

The wagon stopped twice, per the timeline released by the police. Once so officers could "finish paperwork," and another time to pick up another suspect.

This is what the investigation is trying to find out. Was there an officer riding in the back? Was Gray beaten inside the wagon in route to the police station? Did the second suspect see Gray was injured when he was picked up, or was their a confrontation after the second suspect was picked up?

Right now there's no evidence that the police beat a handcuffed suspect.

I'll repeat a question I posted earlier: is it at all possible that a person could smack their head so hard against the wagon wall that it could cause the injury sustained by Gray?

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm glad. Ray Lewis has a great video on his Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/officialraylewis

I also heard, didn't verify, that the Nation of Islam was one of the groups responsible for getting the riots together. Putting that out to see if someone else saw that.

My entire family is in the city. I've heard conflicting things, however from what I gather the NOI has kept it's hands clean (as usual). They definitely have a huge presence in the streets of Baltimore now ("the Nation" always has, I knew quite a few grouping up), but they took a "backseat" during the riots. Kind of a "we want this to happen but you won't blame us for it" kind of thing........ there's a group of about 300 African American men that were walking around trying to stop the riots, along with a few pastors. But the reality is these kids really don't respect anyone and that includes the cities pastors, including/especially Bryant. Most of these kids are little street punks, no home training, no concern for life (theirs or others).

Which reminds me.....

So who's going to start the next UPC home missions church in West Baltimore?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Im sorry. I realized I am asking the question in the wrong way. Ill try again. In your mind, is there something that an unarmed handcuffed man could do to warrant the type of injuries this kid sustained? Im sorry, having a past that includes dealing drugs isnt something that warrants that.

There are a few theories that have arisen. One, his neck was broken when they cuffed and folded his body up while placing their knee on his neck. Still excessive force if you ask me. Two, they slammed on the breaks while he was in the van and the forward force of him slamming into the van wall is what broke his neck. Still doesnt explain the crushed wind pipe. Regardless, its been almost a month of nothing but silence regarding the incident that started with an arrest that was without incident.

I am not Al Sharpton, I am not going into theories. I want some cold, hard facts and then you and I can discuss how we feel. I refuse to argue about "what I don't know".

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Let's see, an army was entrenched to take their country away. Not the same as an established country having an issue where multiple lawsuits could be filed and fought in a court of law. Our Founding Fathers had no such luxury.

Which is why I didn't mention the external circumstances..........

....... or compare them to the founding fathers.

Just saying that revolts happen in the world we live in and they're often violent.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

Devils Advocate....................................... (I love doing this)

Not to compare a bunch of teenage thugs to the founding fathers, but let's not pretend that at least violence, vandalism, and MAYBE theft wasn't actually a very important part of the revolution that founded this country.... so I'd say it has it's place in the worlds way of "doing things"...........


.......not saying it's right.... just trying to be fair and balaned

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

Which is why I didn't mention the external circumstances..........

....... or compare them to the founding fathers.

Just saying that revolts happen in the world we live in and they're often violent.

This actually IS a comparison.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am not Al Sharpton, I am not going into theories. I want some cold, hard facts and then you and I can discuss how we feel. I refuse to argue about "what I don't know".

Dodgeball again. I love dodgeball.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...rd-Was-Ripped#

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Dodgeball again. I love dodgeball.

Actually, I love that game!! They don't play that in school anymore since everyone is learning to be a sissy.