Iran Deal A Good Deal!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Bowas

Deal or no deal? At this point what is good about this deal? (no talking points, but actual deal points that are in fact good)

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I asked n david first, but if you like, you can respond with the skinny on what is so bad about this deal.

Originally Posted by n david

The point of my post is that when France (who, btw, is one of the P5 negotiators) is wanting a tougher deal than the US is willing to take, something's not right.

Why it's a bad deal:
1) Allows Iran to continue processing uranium at one site -- an underground, bomb-proof site.
2) Doesn't give any details on when or how the sanctions will be lifted, nor if there is something the Iranians must do before they're lifted.
3) Doesn't allow inspections at any designated military facility.
4) It's based on Iran's word.

The last is key, because for years Iran claimed they weren't enriching uranium until a secret nuke facility was found --- Levizan-3, just outside of Tehran.

The obama administration is grasping for some kind of foreign policy victory, because thus far everything they've touched has turned into a dumpster fire. Yet, basing this agreement on a promise from the Iranians will cause another blunder and more foreign policy problems.

Your turn, JD. No just linking to liberal rags. Write out why you say it's a good deal.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

I was going to post something like this. The comparisons to Iraq are there. Sanctions, then an agreement to remove sanctions. Wait a few years until UN inspectors get "kicked out" and the US declares Iran is stockpiling WMDs.

The only part with which I disagree is the part claiming Israel wants war. I don't believe Israel wants war. They want to make sure Iran doesn't have nukes and may still bomb their facilities to stop it, but I don't think they want a full-scale war.

I do believe there are a lot of blood-thirsty warmongers here in the US who want war. They wanted Bush to attack Iran back in 2006/2007. McCain, Graham and other hawks in Congress would love for the US to attack Iran.

It sickens me to no end that people can see the same justifications to go to war with Iran were used to go to war with Iraq.

[shazeep]

ya, that used to bug me a lot, but now i see that it is a good snare for revealing peoples' premises.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The accord would mean "cutting off pathways not just to uranium enrichment but to plutonium enrichment" and include a "very intrusive inspection regime," Brennan said.

"In terms of the inspections regime, the reduction as far as the centrifuges, the stockpile, what they're doing with the Arak reactor -- all of that I think is really quite surprising and quite good."

The framework deal itself offered a way of curtailing any attempt by Iran to build nuclear weapons and is "as solid as you can get," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/cia-chief-says...013549674.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

The limitations on centrifuges, both in number and type, are a considerable step forward. The IR-1 centrifuge is an unreliable, deficient design that Iran acquired from Pakistan. The more advanced centrifuges that Iran itself has developed are to be put in monitored storage.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/...-nuclear-deal/

[Jermyn Davidson]

The framework deal requires Iran to surrender some crucial components of its nuclear program, in part or even in whole. Here are the highlights:

Iran will give up about 14,000 of its 20,000 centrifuges.

Iran will give up all but its most rudimentary, outdated centrifuges: its first-generation IR-1s, knockoffs of 1970s European models, are all it gets to keep.

It will not be allowed to build or develop newer models.

Iran will give up 97 percent of its enriched uranium; it will hold on to only 300 kilograms of its 10,000-kilogram stockpile in its current form.

Iran will destroy or export the core of its plutonium plant at Arak, and replace it with a new core that cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium.

It will ship out all spent nuclear fuel.

Iran would simply not have much of its nuclear program left after all this.


http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8337347/iran-deal-good

[n david]

The main issue with the points below is that it relies on the word of a government who has lied and did all they could to hide facilities the UN didn't even know about.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The framework deal requires Iran to surrender some crucial components of its nuclear program, in part or even in whole. Here are the highlights:

Iran will give up about 14,000 of its 20,000 centrifuges.

A number based on what the UN knows Iran has. It doesn't take into consideration any other centrifuges Iran has hidden away.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Iran will give up all but its most rudimentary, outdated centrifuges: its first-generation IR-1s, knockoffs of 1970s European models, are all it gets to keep.

Except for the one's hidden in Iran's secret facilities.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It will not be allowed to build or develop newer models.

No way to enforce this, as designated military facilities are off-limits to inspectors.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Iran will give up 97 percent of its enriched uranium; it will hold on to only 300 kilograms of its 10,000-kilogram stockpile in its current form.

Again, the UN doesn't know how much it has due to Iran's lies and secret facilities.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Iran will destroy or export the core of its plutonium plant at Arak, and replace it with a new core that cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium.

No way to enforce this.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It will ship out all spent nuclear fuel.

No way to enforce this.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Iran would simply not have much of its nuclear program left after all this.

Except for the hidden facilities they've built, or any facilities within designated military installations.

[Bowas]

Wait a minute. Would someone please refresh my memory as to why Iran needs nuclear power, and why we, or anyone for that matter feel we need to make a deal to insure they get nuclear power?

[Jito463]

Because our Dear Leader says so. That should be enough for any loyal Obamaton. Anyone who disagrees is obviously a shill for Fox News.

[shazeep]

the whole thing reeks to heaven. Fukushima is in meltdown, we have 3 eyed tuna off the Cali coast, and developed nations shuttering nuclear power plants, and Iran wants one? lol, a genuine enemy would give them 5!