ESPN's Stephen A. Smith: Vote GOP

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

What's better, lying to people by keeping SS open but empty; or trying to find a solution which will actually help people when they retire?

i'd personally start with some long prison sentences. And see that you will likely get the money--your money, that you funded SS with; but it will just be vastly deflated by the time you get it, effectively robbing you. Things like "inflation" and "Recession" seem completely normal to us; we do not even know what real money is.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

You never answered mine. What has the GOP done for the poor white people in the south who vote for them. According to you, rich people vote GOP and poor people vote dem. Even though I know real life instances that dont support this.

I've already discussed this. You keep avoiding the question and then demanding I answer your questions. I don't play that game. Answering a question by asking a question isn't answering the question.

I know many "poor white" folk from the south from my time there. All the "poor white" folk I knew voted Dem because they took hook, line and sinker the Dem Party belief that the Dem Party cared for the people and the GOP only cared for big business. They voted Dem every time.

Now answer my question, please.

[shazeep]

okay, but tit for tat!

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

I've already discussed this. You keep avoiding the question and then demanding I answer your questions. I don't play that game. Answering a question by asking a question isn't answering the question.

I know many "poor white" folk from the south from my time there. All the "poor white" folk I knew voted Dem because they took hook, line and sinker the Dem Party belief that the Dem Party cared for the people and the GOP only cared for big business. They voted Dem every time.

Now answer my question, please.

I already told you. They are still in the same position. But again, what does that have to do with the DEMs? I know lots of rich DEM voters and lots of poor GOP voters.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Look at a political map. I challenge you to. Look at the south. They are a majority conservative GOP. Some of the poorest states in America are in the south.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

I already told you. They are still in the same position. But again, what does that have to do with the DEMs? I know lots of rich DEM voters and lots of poor GOP voters.

Okay, you're just going to keep avoiding the questions and try to flip it to fit your political beliefs.

It's really not that hard of a question. I'll show you how easy it is.

1) Yes, the Dem Party takes the black voters for granted. Both Dems and the GOP have their pet voting bloc. The GOP's is the religious right. The difference is the GOP offers a few bills each year to appease the bloc. The Dems offer nothing for black voters.

2) Yes, the GOP has mostly given up on trying to win over black voters. This is evident by the fact that Rand Paul is the only GOP member of Congress who has taken on issues felt by black voters. It's also evident by the fact that the bills Sen. Paul has introduced which affect black voters have been sent to die in a committee each year for the past 3 years.

3) No, black voters are not better off after voting for the Dem Party for decades. In fact, they're even worse off now with a black, Democrat President, then they were under a white, Republican President. Unemployment has increased to double digits (around 14% last I looked). Poverty and violence in the inner city has increased. What has the Dem Party done? They only keep extending government benefits to them, which don't help them get out of the rut they're in.

[n david]

Adding insult to injury for black voters is the Dem Party doing more for the illegals, who break the law getting here, than for black voters. You have illegals getting jobs instead of law-abiding citizens. And the Dem Party is directly responsible for it.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

Adding insult to injury for black voters is the Dem Party doing more for the illegals, who break the law getting here, than for black voters. You have illegals getting jobs instead of law-abiding citizens. And the Dem Party is directly responsible for it.

Partisan hack! Both parties are responsible for it! Bush didnt give amnesty to millions?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Partisan hack! Both parties are responsible for it! Bush didnt give amnesty to millions?

Bush did NOT give amnesty to millions. Bush WANTED to do so, but conservatives kept demanding enforcement first. I disagreed with W over his immigration policy. And Iraq. And the WOT. And the Patriot Act. And NCLB. And the Prescription drug benefit. et al.

Both parties are NOT responsible for it. The Dems want amnesty or some "pathway to citizenship" without enforcement first. The GOP refuses to budge on any kind of amnesty and demands any deal with any kind of "pathway" first have border enforcement.

I'm not a partisan hack. You're the one trying to avoid any negative comment towards the Dem Party.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Look at a political map. I challenge you to. Look at the south. They are a majority conservative GOP. Some of the poorest states in America are in the south.

The lowest cost of living states are also in the South.
It tends to balance out.
Economic growth is also better in the South.