Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Jews - Page 5

shazeep · #41 02-28-2015, 10:16 AM

yes, i guess Constantine thought that baptism would make him pure also.

Aquila · #42 03-02-2015, 07:23 AM

We are no longer under the Law. Abide in Christ through love (love of God & love for others). Walk in the Spirit. We are called to works of love, mercy, and charity. In this we manifest the "fruit of the Spirit" (Galatians 5:22-23):

Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self-control

Against such, there is no law.

thephnxman · #43 03-02-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen, and I stand by my words!

So...I wonder if I should wait for lightening to strike one of you'se: or both!

mfblume · #44 03-02-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

So...I wonder if I should wait for lightening to strike one of you'se: or both!

loi

mfblume · #45 03-02-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i guess Constantine thought that baptism would make him pure also.

Yeah, but without faith. lol

thephnxman · #46 03-02-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Indeed, we will have our time before the Lord. I am thankful for the grace of God. .... For by GRACE are ye SAVED through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Eph. 2:8
It doesn't say by our perfect doctrine we are saved. But it says that by grace are we saved through faith.
That is a beautiful measuring stick, and regardless of whether we have made mistakes in our doctrine (which I think is possible for all of us) it is our faith in Jesus and the grace of God that in the end will cover us in judgment.
I have no problem with someone believing that they need to set aside Sabbath as unto the Lord, as long as they don't look at me and judge me because I don't. That is where Romans 14 comes into the picture.
Problem is, most who start out keeping Sabbath eventually begin to consider it a salvational thing, and a measuring stick to judge others by, and this is the problem that it creates.
If you keep Sabbath, and don't judge others, then I respect that.

Romans 14:5 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Grace is not a magic marker nor an eraser. It is POWER.

Grace is the power of the Holy Spirit given to all since the Day of
Pentecost: "...you shall receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is unto you...".

We have received power to enter into our Sabbath, that we may
rest from our works (sins): "For he that is entered into his rest, he
also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
Not having the power to resist sin, "...for all have sinned and come
short of the glory of God...", the Jews relied on keeping he promise of
the Sabbath; and not only that, but on animal sacrifices.

shazeep · #47 03-02-2015, 09:39 AM

ah, very nice! i'm going to cross-quote this to the A&N story, just to see what develops, if i may.

KeptByTheWord · #48 03-02-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

Grace is not a magic marker nor an eraser. It is POWER.

Grace is the power of the Holy Spirit given to all since the Day of
Pentecost: "...you shall receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is unto you...".

We have received power to enter into our Sabbath, that we may
rest from our works (sins): "For he that is entered into his rest, he
also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
Not having the power to resist sin, "...for all have sinned and come
short of the glory of God...", the Jews relied on keeping he promise of
the Sabbath; and not only that, but on animal sacrifices.

Indeed, we have been granted power to keep the highest law there is - and that is LOVE. Love the Lord, and love one another.

Esaias · #49 03-02-2015, 05:33 PM

If you love your neighbor, does that release you from any obligation to, say, not bear false witness against them?

Or is it not rather that "love is the fulfilling of the law"? That is, love is what the commandments of God express? We are to love God, and our neighbor. The first four commandments explain HOW to love God, and the remaining six commandments tell us HOW to love our fellow man. All the various other commands in scripture are but illustrations and applications of those ten laws, applied to various situations and relations.

Can you love God while violating the second commandment? Or can you love God while at the same time you take his name in vain? Who could argue such a thing was possible?

Yet everybody brain-farts at the fourth commandment. THIS one is somehow different.

If God says something is HOLY, how can his people, who love him supremely, say that which is HOLY UNTO GOD is nothing? A thing to be ignored? A thing to be allegorized and explained away? So that our traditions may make void the word of God?

If you love your mama, and she says you ought to see her for her birthday, because it's special to her, would you tell her "I love you so therefore I'm going to ignore your birthday and purposefully NOT see you or visit you on that one day you value as a special day to celebrate your family?"

Really?

A reminder (this is the crux): ANY argument that concludes it is okay to NOT OBEY the fourth commandment will necessarily do the exact same to each of the other commandments. So just like being a Christian means you can love God and yet ignore the sabbath DAY, you can be a Christian and love God and yet ignore the prohibition against profaning his name or you can love your neighbor and yet you can get away with bearing false witness against them.

FlamingZword · #50 03-02-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If you love your neighbor, does that release you from any obligation to, say, not bear false witness against them?

Or is it not rather that "love is the fulfilling of the law"? That is, love is what the commandments of God express? We are to love God, and our neighbor. The first four commandments explain HOW to love God, and the remaining six commandments tell us HOW to love our fellow man. All the various other commands in scripture are but illustrations and applications of those ten laws, applied to various situations and relations.

Can you love God while violating the second commandment? Or can you love God while at the same time you take his name in vain? Who could argue such a thing was possible?

Yet everybody brain-farts at the fourth commandment. THIS one is somehow different.

If God says something is HOLY, how can his people, who love him supremely, say that which is HOLY UNTO GOD is nothing? A thing to be ignored? A thing to be allegorized and explained away? So that our traditions may make void the word of God?

If you love your mama, and she says you ought to see her for her birthday, because it's special to her, would you tell her "I love you so therefore I'm going to ignore your birthday and purposefully NOT see you or visit you on that one day you value as a special day to celebrate your family?"

Really?

A reminder (this is the crux): ANY argument that concludes it is okay to NOT OBEY the fourth commandment will necessarily do the exact same to each of the other commandments. So just like being a Christian means you can love God and yet ignore the sabbath DAY, you can be a Christian and love God and yet ignore the prohibition against profaning his name or you can love your neighbor and yet you can get away with bearing false witness against them.

Great
Thank you for standing up for the Ten Commandments.