If Hussein Was Still Alive

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

But why does it always have to be us to take out these guys? Nobody appreciates it. If we had energy independence we could cut all ties with the lunatics of the middle east.

We do have energy independence but America shouldn't take on a non-interventionist role. We use energy as a way to stay involved in the world. Honestly, I wish that we were more interventional with our military and our diplomacy but Obama is more diplomatic minded (sanctions, multi-lateral talks, etc).

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Just curious as to which dictators are worse than Saddam or Muammar?

From the past, Idi Amin, Hissene Habre, Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe.

Presently, Omar Al-bashir.

The US has largely sat idly by and done nothing to any dictator in Africa, while taking action against a few oil-rich ME countries.

Rwanda. Mass genocide with no involvement from the US. The Clinton administration has blood on its hands. It knew before the massacre what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it. The administration couldn't even call it a genocide for 3 weeks after the fact.

Darfur. Little more than congressional statements and blustering from the Bush administration.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

From the past, Idi Amin, Hissene Habre, Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe.

Presently, Omar Al-bashir.

The US has largely sat idly by and done nothing to any dictator in Africa, while taking action against a few oil-rich ME countries.

Rwanda. Mass genocide with no involvement from the US. The Clinton administration has blood on its hands. It knew before the massacre what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it. The administration couldn't even call it a genocide for 3 weeks after the fact.

Darfur. Little more than congressional statements and blustering from the Bush administration.

Then there is Boko Haram. Not a person, but an organization.

Our President has taken a few actions in Somalia, but the entire continent suffers from the dearth of U.S. intervention.

But China is there, making money.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thats not what your quote says..... smh

ah no, that is true, i got that elsewhere. There are clues, in the related articles at the bottom of that page, Youtube, etc. Understand that i cannot verify most of these, so the "weight" must be adjusted; but they fit a pattern.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

From Iran?

ya, i know, huh. I am partial to their international news, personally, as they seem to have a more humanitarian bent there, and they concentrate on areas of the world that i have connections to. i just change channels when they go political, which they seem to keep to a minimum. You can tell when the rhetoric starts. Not my only news source, by far--just one of the better ones.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How do you know when it's real news or not? Do you get a feeling in the back of your neck?

hmm, close; more like the front of my forehead. I am not "entertained," and the projection of dismay at a news item is not engineered/manipulated, as in our news...so, i don't get a headache!

but really, it is their "shows" also that i prefer; as for "current events" news, i get about 20 minutes a week of that. Many of their shows, and CE news, are tailored for the US audience--i think they are operating out of Miami or NY, i forget which--and of course they are rising in popularity i think because they avoid a lot of rhetorical programming. Plus, the bald truth is unpopular enough here right now, so i doubt they feel they have to embellish it.

See that it is usually a choice of PressTV, RT, or Al Jazeera, or not getting that bit of news at all, since most of the rest are Syndicate owned.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Originalist

But why does it always have to be us to take out these guys?

well, it is us that installs these guys; so we can take them out later. this is a great way to loot a country--install a puppet, provide him a "loan" that his nation will not benefit a dime from, give 90-95% of the "loan" money to your cronies who sell arms, or to your banksters, the other 5-10% as a bribe to the puppet. All outlined in Confessions... Very ancient; very foolproof.

Originally Posted by Originalist

If we had energy independence we could cut all ties with the lunatics of the middle east.

um, we have enough natgas to run for 100 years. everything you burn gas for can be run on natgas. Consider that your pov, while carefully tailored, is not in keeping with the agenda.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Then there is Boko Haram. Not a person, but an organization.

Our President has taken a few actions in Somalia, but the entire continent suffers from the dearth of U.S. intervention.

But China is there, making money.

The US has sent money there to combat aids. That's the best thing it has done. IIRC, last fall, obama sent some special forces to combat Boko Haram, though I haven't heard much since.

I'm not for the US policing the world's countries and getting involved in every nation's civil war, but I do believe the US should get involved where there is mass genocide happening. Unfortunately for Rwanda, they didn't have oil.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

We do have energy independence but America shouldn't take on a non-interventionist role. We use energy as a way to stay involved in the world. Honestly, I wish that we were more interventional with our military and our diplomacy but Obama is more diplomatic minded (sanctions, multi-lateral talks, etc).

think so, huh? well, it will either bear fruit, or kindling, like everything else, i guess. I note that we have Russia literally surrounded with our bases now, so we're about as interventionist as it gets, and i would say your pov describes our policy of the last 50 years--despite the reflection that i seriously doubt anyone reading this has ever feared a Russian invasion. even during the cold war their attitude seemed more like one of disinterest toward us, over very much aggression. Not much rhetoric from their side, etc.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

but the entire continent suffers from the dearth of U.S. intervention.

ya ok; let's review the situation in all the places we've intervened recently...

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

But China is there, making money.

now you're touching on the real agenda...lol