Why, believer or not, you seek a Monotheistic God.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, that's a pretty broad brush; I mean, this applies to all who consider themselves Christian?

Yes. All who believe in a literal Jesus and plan on riding him as your scapegoat whipping boy into heaven.

That is all those who have swallowed the woo of the Christian apostles creed.


Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

As above so below.

If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?

Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That is what a good God would do.

Regards
DL


Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

You have lost credibility with this attitude of yours. Good luck.

And you have lost your moral sense.

Good luck getting into heaven.

Regards
DL

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop

Thanks for showing how corrupt Christian morals are.

Regards
DL

Good luck with that attitude. I fail to see any bright shining morals coming from your gnostic postings. Just condemnation and belittlement. I simply say one thing is as bad as another and you take it the worst way anyone could possibly take it.

[shazeep]

It's funny-I meet a very few who describe themselves as "atheist" out of rejection of the established church, that seem to have found a more fulfilling MO; most seem to be full of angst toward God, and at the same time trying to deny God's existence; a la Hitchens, little realizing that their words give them away...of course, the others surely eschew forums for the most part.

I'm speaking generally here; not meaning to label anyone specifically...but I note that it seems the same attributes that attract some, drive some others away. The reality that God will not impugn upon mans free will seems to top the list. God should do this; or God should be like this, etc., little realizing that God prolly is doing that-just on His timescale, not theirs-and that if God is not like "that," there is surely a good, even perfect reason for it.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Good luck with that attitude. I fail to see any bright shining morals coming from your gnostic postings. Just condemnation and belittlement. I simply say one thing is as bad as another and you take it the worst way anyone could possibly take it.

Correct. The best way to analyse anything is to take it to the extreme of both sides.

I am here to fight evil and immoral beliefs so do not expect gentleness.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

The reality that God will not impugn upon mans free will seems to top the list.

LOL.

Compare what you said with God annulling the free will to live of all those he killed.

Regards
DL

[shazeep]

You mean He, Who Does Not Exist? Ok. But this would then absolve the killers/murderers, wouldn't it?

[Gnostic Bishop]

Originally Posted by shazeep

You mean He, Who Does Not Exist? Ok. But this would then absolve the killers/murderers, wouldn't it?

The issue was free will and not existence, --- but I am used to your ilk trying to deflect when refuted.

Did your God honor the free will of those he killed in your bible?

Regards
DL

[shazeep]

I thought this was about free will, and not existence? But the theory, at least, goes that since God created them, He is free to have them back! However, this has nothing to do with FW; everyone dies...and really, could you please decide whether you doubt God's existence, or are just mad at Him? A discussion about how poorly you choose to exercise your free will might follow; or even possibly what you might be for, rather than this confused attempt at what you are against. Wadr.

[Gnostic Bishop]

So now your God is free to murder at will and you think that ok. Showing how your morality has been corrupted by your beliefs.

How can I speak of good morals to you when you think such things as torturing babies to be ok just because God did it?

We are to emulate him and bring his laws to earth.

Are you ready to torture a baby for your God?

Regards
DL