Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It was the coffee cup that was dubbed condescending.

Um, that is your trademark. Hover over it and you will see that it is labeled "rollseyes." Is that not meant to be condescending? Why do you use that smiley if NOT to be condescending.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I didn't say they were accidental. Sometimes people say things on purpose that they regret later because they don't think through the consequences. The fact that he parsed it doesn't mean he didn't regret it later--but obviously that's a hypothetical and I have no way of knowing if he regrets anything.

No, you referred to it as a "mistake." As if it were accidental.

By his own admission, it wasn't. He was/is proud of his racist and mean-spirited remarks which you somehow feel compelled to defend and explain away.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't feel respect for people who address issues without integrity and self-control, e.g., I won't give your complaints any weight. If someone screams at me in anger and I scream right back, I'm just as wrong. If someone cusses me and I cuss back at them, I'm just as guilty. Etc. If you're going to call out people on their mess, you'd better be squeaky clean, or you're no better than them. IMO, the reason you feel comfortable being disrespectful and rude is because you have devalued certain groups of people (UPCers/conservative Apostolics) and given yourself permission to do so. Giving yourself permission to be ugly and rude because you think negatively about someone's values or belief system doesn't mean it's okay in God's eyes.

You operate under the mistaken impression that I crave your respect and long for your opinion.

Nothing is uglier than abuse other than perhaps those who laugh with and defend the abuser. Of course, I would never suggest that you would do anything like that.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Charnock

No, you referred to it as a "mistake." As if it were accidental.

By his own admission, it wasn't. He was/is proud of his racist and mean-spirited remarks which you somehow feel compelled to defend and explain away.

She just posted that she didn't mean it was accidental. There are many times I refer to a "mistake," and none of which I meant an accident. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean it was done accidentally. It means something was done in error or bad judgement.

Open a dictionary and look at the meaning of "mistake," I doubt you'll find it referring to something done accidentally.

[Charnock]

Taking a matter public is actually UNbiblical, aka, disobedient to the Word of God. Taking a matter before the "whole church" is biblical, but only after a couple of other methods are used. THAT is why I object to these expose' style videos being posted, after the manner of some news rag that's out to air everyone's dirty laundry. I AM interested in church discipline and leaders who get out of line being corrected.

Odd, I don't see you complain when your fellow admin gossip-monger, CC1, posts his Thad-like threads. Seems you only get upset when the old guard racists are exposed.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by n david

She just posted that she didn't mean it was accidental. There are many times I refer to a "mistake," and none of which I meant an accident. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean it was done accidently. It means something was done in error or bad judgement.

Open a dictionary and look at the meaning of "mistake," I doubt you'll find it referring to something done accidently.

If you are going to lecture me about word meanings please make sure you spell them correctly.

All of your blathering is misguided. You and your cronies have exerted a lot of energy defending Dirty Harry when you should have expressed sympathy for his idiocy and outrage at his comments.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Charnock

If you are going to lecture me about word meanings please make sure you spell them correctly.

I'll blame the autocorrect on this. You are correct, it was the wrong spelling; however, it doesn't change the meaning of "mistake." It's not about something done accidentally.

Originally Posted by Charnock

All of your blathering is misguided. You and your cronies have exerted a lot of energy defending ... when you should have expressed sympathy for his idiocy and outrage at his comments.

That's a lie! I haven't defended him at all. I already said his comment about the country in Africa was below a minister, in poor taste and I don't agree with it. That's not defending him.

Regarding the Kilgore video, it's impossible to make an unbiased statement which correctly describes the 80-second clip. You're reaching when you claim he was angry about losing FM money. I heard one comment about FM being "gone." He sayd Jimbo was an embarrassment, but didn't say why. He then told the people there to stop being embarrassed about "this," but didn't define what "this" meant.

That isn't a defense of HH, either. It's simply stating the facts. That 80-second clip leaves a massive hole as to what's being said, and you nor I can claim to know what he was saying in that 80-second clip.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by n david

I'll blame the autocorrect on this. You are correct, it was the wrong spelling; however, it doesn't change the meaning of "mistake." It's not about something done accidentally.

Auto correct is responsible for your mistakes?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by n david

That's a lie! I haven't defended him at all. I already said his comment about the country in Africa was below a minister, in poor taste and I don't agree with it. That's not defending him.

Regarding the Kilgore video, it's impossible to make an unbiased statement which correctly describes the 80-second clip. You're reaching when you claim he was angry about losing FM money. I heard one comment about FM being "gone." He sayd Jimbo was an embarrassment, but didn't say why. He then told the people there to stop being embarrassed about "this," but didn't define what "this" meant.

That isn't a defense of HH, either. It's simply stating the facts. That 80-second clip leaves a massive hole as to what's being said, and you nor I can claim to know what he was saying in that 80-second clip.

You seem upset. Are you upset?

Methinks you've ignored one very important fact. HH begins his little diatribe with this description of LT..."the largest Foreign Missions church in the United Pentecostal Church...He said "it's gone!"

He is upset at lost money. How can you possibly surmise anything else?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Charnock

You seem upset. Are you upset?

I'm not upset, I'm simply stating you're lying when you claim I'm defending him. I haven't.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Methinks you've ignored one very important fact. HH begins his little diatribe with this description of LT..."the largest Foreign Missions church in the United Pentecostal Church...He said "it's gone!"

That was one line. One single reference in the 80-second video.

Originally Posted by Charnock

He is upset at lost money. How can you possibly surmise anything else?

You're reaching on this.