Has anyone attended an Apostolic College?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im not twisting them you are ignoring them. Verses that show the ELDERS OF THE CHURCH were the ones who fed the Flock. No such thing as a pay Professors to teach divine truth "Bible College".

They would have been counted as false teachers seeking gain out of the ministry. Sincere men of God who love truth would gladly spend and be spent to teach Gods truth to the hungry.

A far cry from modern mans systems of error. The Bible colleges turn out the false teachers of the day we live.

Verse 28 is speaking to Pastors. It's speaking that Pastors need to feed the church of God they've been charged to oversee.

Those verses are about a Pastor and the local church body....NOT about how wrong it is for there to be a religious college or university.

Sorry, that's just absurd. You have no Bible to back up your PERSONAL belief. It is not a Biblical belief backed by Scripture; it's a personal belief backed by nothing more than personal prejudice.

You're twisting the Scripture.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

Verse 28 is speaking to Pastors. It's speaking that Pastors need to feed the church of God they've been charged to oversee.

Those verses are about a Pastor and the local church body....NOT about how wrong it is for there to be a religious college or university.

Sorry, that's just absurd. You have no Bible to back up your PERSONAL belief. It is not a Biblical belief backed by Scripture; it's a personal belief backed by nothing more than personal prejudice.

You're twisting the Scripture.

Ok then lets do it this way. Since you deny the relevance of the very clear pattern of learning God established in Acts 20........YOU may now give chapter and verse where the New Testament Apostolic Church conducted A BIBLE COLLEGE.

Then we will know your ideas are Biblical and right.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok then lets do it this way. Since you deny the relevance of the very clear pattern of learning God established in Acts 20........YOU may now give chapter and verse where the New Testament Apostolic Church conducted A BIBLE COLLEGE.

Then we will know your ideas are Biblical and right.

I don't have to show you anything. You're the one saying it's wrong. YOU prove it by Scripture. You have a personal belief against it and want to use Acts 20 as your basis, but it doesn't support your claim. So now you want to shift the debate and say, "well you show me in the Scriptures where they had a Bible College."

No, thank you. I never said the Bible mentioned it. I only said you twisted Acts 20 to try and validate your personal belief.

BTW, a Synagogue was a place of assembly, which included learning or a school. The Orthodox refer to Synagogue as "shul," which is Yiddish for school. The Synagogue is a major part of Jewish life.

Now you'll say, "yah but there's no mention of the Apostles using the Synagogue."

Just admit this is something which you have no Biblical evidence against, but is rather a personal conviction or belief against. Like outward dress standards and other things not mentioned in Scripture.

[Sabby]

I graduated from a 3 Year unaccredited Apostolic bible college. It was closed in the mid 80s.

Reasons for going?

ETS'ed from the Army overseas (Did not have a "home" church in the states)
The alma mater of my pastor.
Reputation of being missions oriented.
Excellent Old Testament History course.
Opportunities for ministry practicum in the local area.
Networking.


Randy, it was called a Bridal college too!


Disadvantages?

Offered only Diploma for three years.
Unaccredited (Used up my GI Bill to attend)
Did not teach Greek OR Hebrew.
Older Facility located in an Industrial District.
Did not offer practical courses that would be useful for missionaries
School did not contain its own church (ie: CLC)

Would I do it again? Yes, if it was accredited. No, if it was unaccredited (but maybe for the first year).

I learned more through two pastors in three years than I did in 3 years combined of compressed study, graduating w/a double major: Ministerial/Christian Education.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

There was a John Eckstadt from Brooklyn. He was perhaps the best on the teaching of Oneness since Apostolic days. He also taught the truth of the resurrection of the dead.

Notwithstanding he never overcame pre trib rapture. I think he died in the late 70's.

Probably the same person. Yes I heard that he died from, I believe it was a kidney problem. He wasn't that old.

I think most believed in a Pre-trib rapture at that time, I mentioned a few times that it was wrong. People looked at me as if I lost my mind.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by renee819

Probably the same person. Yes I heard that he died from, I believe it was a kidney problem. He wasn't that old.

I think most believed in a Pre-trib rapture at that time, I mentioned a few times that it was wrong. People looked at me as if I lost my mind.

Yes that sounds like him. I had a tape by him once called "The Word Before Made Flesh". It was the most magnificent preaching I ever heard. His son used to post on this forum.

[n david]

More on the Synagogue...

Acts 19:8 "And he [Paul] went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Matthew 13:54 "And when he [Jesus] was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?"

Acts 17:1-2 "Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures"

[Esaias]

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/biblecollege.html

"2. The Only Mention of "College" in the Bible is Associated with a Female Preacher

"College" is mentioned only one time in the Bible in two parallel passages:

"So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her." - 2 Kings 22:14

"And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they spake to her to that effect." - 2 Chronicles 34:22

Personally, I do not believe that anything in the Bible is incidental, coincidental, or accidental. If Bible College was such an important part of God's program, then why is it never mentioned in the Bible in a positive light? Many will point to Elisha's "School of the Prophets" as a scriptural mandate for Bible college. However, does the Bible really speak of a "school" of the prophets?

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will begin to believe it. The reality is that the word "school" is also only mentioned one time in the Bible, and it has nothing to do with Elisha:

"And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." - Acts 19:8,9

The "school" of Tyrannus, just as the synagogue, was a place that Paul and the other disciples went to preach to unbelievers. It was not a training instution for God's people, but rather for the world. Paul went there simply to win souls, just as he went to the synagogue to win souls.

Therefore the only mention of "college" in the Bible involves a woman preacher, and only mention of "school" in the Bible involves people disputing with the word of God. This cannot be an accident."

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." - Acts 19:8,9

The "school" of Tyrannus, just as the synagogue, was a place that Paul and the other disciples went to preach to unbelievers. It was not a training institution for God's people, but rather for the world. Paul went there simply to win souls, just as he went to the synagogue to win souls.

Therefore the only mention of "college" in the Bible involves a woman preacher, and only mention of "school" in the Bible involves people disputing with the word of God. This cannot be an accident."

If we're going strictly on what the Bible does/does not say about modern church, ministry, life, etc.....the majority of what we do is not mentioned in the Bible; does that mean that we're not living right?

About Tyrannus, your claim that it was not a training institution for God's people and that Paul just went to win souls is debatable:

Pulpit Commentary
The school of Tyrannus; σχολή, leisure; then, "the employment of leisure," as especially in philosophic discussions and the like; thirdly, the "place" were such discussions were held, a school. It is uncertain whether Tyrannus was a Gentile well known at the time (without the τινός), who kept a lecture room for philosophic discussions or lectures on rhetoric, or whether he was a Jew who held a private school or meeting in his house - a beth-midrash - as was not uncommon in large towns where many Jews were (Light foot, vol. 3. p. 236). "Beth-midrash - The Jewish divinity school, where their doctors disputed of the more high and difficult matters of the Law" (Index to Lightfoot's Works). It was commonly the upper room in the house of a rabbi (Lightfoot, on Acts 2:13, vol. 8:363), whence "house of rabbis "was synonymous with beth-midrash, house of discussion.

Beth Midrash (Hebrew: בית מדרש‎; also Beis Medrash, Beit Midrash, pl. batei midrash or botei medrash, lit. "House [of] Interpretation" or "House [of] Learning") refers to a study hall, whether in a synagogue, yeshiva, kollel, or other building. It is distinct from a synagogue, although many synagogues are also used as batei midrash and vice versa.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
disputing—"discoursing" or "discussing."

dialegomai: to discuss, to address, to preach
Original Word: διαλέγομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dialegomai
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-al-eg'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I converse, address, preach, lecture
Definition: I converse, address, preach, lecture; I argue, reason.

1) You make an assumption by stating they were disputing with the Word of God. The verse actually says, "disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." It mentions nothing about what they were disputing about. As the information above says, many of these schools were for instruction in Jewish law.

2) The word "dispute" has different meanings, as shown. You again assume that the verse shows it as negative, when more than likely it meant the above definitions: converse, address, lecture, argue, reason. None of which are as negative as you're making it out to be.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

About Tyrannus, your claim that it was not a training institution for God's people and that Paul just went to win souls is debatable:

I was simply quoting an article by a Baptist giving some reasons against 'Bible college'.

Not saying I agree or disagree with him.