Women Preachers

[Sister Alvear]

so it was ok for me to preach years under a tree to hundreds of people and when I raised money and built us a little covering from the rain it is now a sin....

[renee819]

This is meant to be a study and not to be controversial.
First, I'm not a preacher nor a Teacher, except that we all are teachers, however, there is an office of Teacher.

Are we wrong to send women missionaries to foreign countries, to teach, preach, and face all kinds of hardships even death, but at home a woman is not supposed to speak in church?

There is something wrong with this picture. God used women all thru the Bible. I wish we had the original scriptures. We know that the Catholic Church tried to put women down, therefore we need to look at the Greek and Aramic meanings of scriptures. And compare one against another.

Let's start with the Foundation of the Church.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

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Where are the handmaidens supposed to prophesy? Actually, where are they supposed to receive the Holy Ghost? If they can't speak, and are to remain silent in church, then they could only receive the Holy Ghost or prophesy at home. And if there were 2 or 3 Christians there, then that is church. So I guess they would have to go to their room?

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven

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(Forget the hair, vail thing) Where is she supposed to prophesy? It says women will prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:24 But if ALL (MEN???) prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
:31 For ye may ALL prophesy one by one, that ALL may learn, and ALL may be comforted.

Who are teachers? ALL or just men?

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye (MEN??? or ALL???) ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat

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1 Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

SILENCE---feminine of <G2272> (hesuchios); (as noun) stillness, i.e. desistance from bustle or language :- quietness, silence

SUBJECTION---from <G5293> (hupotasso); subordination :- subjection

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12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence

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TEACH----a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application) :- teach

A woman can't even "learn?"

USURP AUTHORITY----from a compound of <G846> (autos) and an obsolete hentes (a worker); to act of oneself, i.e. (figurative) dominate :- usurp authority over

USURP---dicionary---To seize another's power, right's or possessions illegally.

MAN---a primary word [compare <G444> (anthropos)]; a man (properly as an individual male) :- fellow, husband, man, sir

SILENCE---feminine of <G2272> (hesuchios); (as noun) stillness, i.e. desistance from bustle or language :- quietness, silence

There is a difference in quietness and silence.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Women are to have a meek (humble) and quiet spirit. Are men supposed to be humble and quiet?

1 Thessalonians 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you

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QUITE----from the same as <G2272> (hesuchios); to keep still (intransitive), i.e. refrain from labor, meddlesomeness or speech :- cease, hold peace, be quiet, rest.

As Paul is talking about “brotherly love” I believe that is to all.

1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge

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(Remember---your handmaidens shall prophesy)

:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law

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SILENCE----from <G4602> (sige); to keep silent (transitive or intransitive) :- keep close (secret, silence), hold peace

LAW---from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), general (regulation), special (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figurative (a principle) :- law

OBEIENCE---from <G5259> (hupo) and <G5021> (tasso); to subordinate; reflexive to obey :- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

We are to submit ourselves to one another. And to have a peaceful and quiet spirit. But I don't believe that Paul meant to put a muzzle on women even speaking in church, as it does seem to say in some of the scriptures, or it would contradict other scriptures. And the Bible does not contradict itself, so out understanding is at fault.

Does that also include women writing?

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

so it was ok for me to preach years under a tree to hundreds of people and when I raised money and built us a little covering from the rain it is now a sin....

No Sister Alvear, You are doing a great job. And I daresay, not many Pentecostal men would want to do what you do.

Dispite our not completely understanding of some scriptures, what you are doing has to be right.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe a woman can speak in the assembly... as long as she's under her elder's authority to do so, and has her husband's blessing. However, I don't believe she can hold the office of pastor/bishop/overseer/elder... whatever we'd like to call it. It's not because a woman is incapable. It's not because a woman isn't intelligent enough to do it. It's simply because it upsets the divine order of the family. Think about it, if a woman were a pastor... her husband would be REQUIRED to spiritually submit to her. That completely derails a husband being "head of the wife". It would be God contradicting Himself. In addition... God gave no set requirements for women being overseers. God did give us the set requirements for men being overseers. For example, an overseer must be "the husband of one wife". If you're a married woman, you have a "husband"... unless you married a woman. lol

There should be no problem with a husband submitting to a wife. "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." Eph 5:21

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

so it was ok for me to preach years under a tree to hundreds of people and when I raised money and built us a little covering from the rain it is now a sin....

LOL!

[Sister Alvear]

I have almost completed a 1300 power point slide Bible study for our people on this very subject...we fight so much Branham doctrine and serpent seed doctrine here...both seem to see women inferior...Branhams book on marriage and divorce is sickening and I cannot see any true chrisitan believing such a doctrine but Brazil is covered with such belief's...they especially appeal to people who come from devil worship. Those that know me KNOW I am not in favor of loud mouthed women that do not know what a meek and quite spirit is...however godly women do not have to bang on pulpits and swing from the Chandeliers to give a word from the Lord.

[ILG]

Truthfully, we only have to submit to truth which is the same as submitting to God. No one has to submit to a pastor's teaching that is incorrect and no one has to submit to the pastor as a person who is infallible. We all have to submit to God Himself, which means, in the long run, we have to search our our own salvation.

[kclee4jc]

Sister Alvear is a tremendous woman of God and tremendous speaker. I have heard a couple preaching cds by her. THere have been many fine women of God that have shaped my life and walk with the Lord.

Yes, I believe in women preaching the Gospel in all kinds of settings. Church conferences, ladies' conferences, sunday school, revivals, even meetings to the home church. My issue has nothing to do with women preaching. It just seems very clear to me that the scripture explicitly states a lady is not to usurp authority over a man. For that reason I cannot biblically justify a lady pastoring a church. Preaching and pastoring are two different roles.
I look to my pastor as an authority in my life. I also look to my pastor's wife for guidance and wisdom. I look to them both as mentors in my life and respect them equally. Their roles however, are different.

Pentecost has known and been blessed by MANY tremendous lady evangelists.

Pentecost would simply not be what it is today if it wasn't for the many Godly ladies that have acted in the ministry and filled pulpits to represent this Gospel. Often times a lady can bring a sensitivity and compassion to a service that men cannot.

Bottom line-Pastoring and preaching are two different acts.

[Rose]

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Rose

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

What's your point exactly, in relation to the discussion?