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Old 09-18-2013, 12:47 PM
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There are two subsequent works after salvation namely

1. Entire Sanctification.

2. The Baptism of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues.
Church of God teaches this. The AoG does not hold to the entire sanctification view.
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Orig..How does the AOG not hold to the entire sanctitication view?

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Orig..How does the AOG not hold to the entire sanctitication view?
They drink coffee, don't they? Thus they deny entire sankafication.
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Orig..How does the AOG not hold to the entire sanctitication view?
The AoG teaches that sanctification is a progressive work of grace. The CoG, and other Pentecostal groups influenced by Weslean holiness doctrine, teach that sanctification is a instananeous work of grace which occurs after salvation, but before Holy Ghost baptism.
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You lost me with the Progressive/instananeous work of Grace...Explain a little more, as I understand it the AOG is influenced by the Weslean Holiness doctrine also.

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"They drink coffee, don't they? Thus they deny entire sankafication"...LOL have not seen any Sanka coffee in forever...
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You lost me with the Progressive/instananeous work of Grace...Explain a little more
In a nutshell those who would identify with the wesleyan view of sanctification teach that when a person gets saved all of the actual sin (sins they actually commited) are forgiven and removed but they still retain thier carnal/fallen/sinful nature (otherwise known as original sin). After salvation wesleyan holiness holds that there is a second work of grace call entire sanctification. This work is completed in an instant and it accomplishes the removal of the carnal nature and makes a man holy.

The AoG on the other hand hold that sanctification is a progressive growth that is never complete until death or the rapture.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:07 PM
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You lost me with the Progressive/instananeous work of Grace...Explain a little more, as I understand it the AOG is influenced by the Weslean Holiness doctrine also.
AoG as well as most Oneness groups bought into William Durham's finished work theology. Granted, majority of the oneness apply finished work theology differently than AoG.

To Pentecostal Wesleyan(CoG, Pentecostal Holiness) groups there is
-Salvation
-Sanctification
-Baptism of the Holy Ghost

Subsequence Non Wesleyan Pentecostals such as the AoG see
-Salvation
-Baptism of the Holy Ghost

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But the AOG is Wesleyan? Per Wiki..below

General Council of the Assemblies of God in the United States of America or Assemblies of God USA (AG) is a Pentecostal Christian denomination in the United States founded in 1914 during a meeting of Pentecostal ministers at Hot Springs, Arkansas. The Assemblies of God USA is the U.S. branch of the World Assemblies of God Fellowship, the world's largest Pentecostal body. The Assemblies of God was the ninth largest denomination in the United States in 2011 and "has grown steadily during the 20th century" to a constituency of 3 million.[3][5][6]

The Assemblies of God holds to a conservative, evangelical and Arminian theology as expressed in the Statement of Fundamental Truths and position papers, which emphasize such core Pentecostal doctrines as the baptism in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, divine healing and the Second Coming of Christ.[7][8] It defines for itself a fourfold mission to evangelize, worship God, disciple believers, and show compassion.[9]

The fellowship's polity is a hybrid of presbyterian and congregational models.[1][2] This tension between local independence and national authority is seen in the AG's historical reluctance to refer to itself as a denomination, preferring the terms fellowship and movement.[10] The national headquarters are in Springfield, Missouri, where the administrative and executive offices and Gospel Publishing House are located. It maintains relationships with other Pentecostal groups at both regional and national levels through the Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America and the Pentecostal World Fellowship. It is also a member of the Wesleyan Holiness Consortium and the National Association of Evangelicals.[11][12]
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:28 PM
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It does not believe the Wesleyan view of "entire sancitification"
All of the modern Pentecostal movement has some Wesleyan influence.
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