How will they know that person has an interpretation? How are supposed to know that person even has that gift until its used the first time?
If you are in your home church, it is usually the same person or person's that interpret each time. And if it is the first time, the gift will announce itself by interpreting what was said.
Seems to me, that people are not seeking the gifts, as Paul instructed. And sometimes, people are afraid to speak up. All of the gifts should be in each church. I believe that God gave the gifts to help guide the church.
One time a message came forth, and I thought I understood the first few words, but because I had never done that before and I didn't have the rest of the message, I didn't say anything. But when someone else brought the interpretation, it started out just like I had understood it.
If you are in your home church, it is usually the same person or person's that interpret each time. And if it is the first time, the gift will announce itself by interpreting what was said.
Seems to me, that people are not seeking the gifts, as Paul instructed. And sometimes, people are afraid to speak up. All of the gifts should be in each church. I believe that God gave the gifts to help guide the church.
One time a message came forth, and I thought I understoodthe first few words, but because I had never done that before and I didn't have the rest of the message, I didn't say anything. But when someone else brought the interpretation, it started out just like I had understood it.
You missed the point. How do you know that person in your home church has that gift? The only way is to interpret a tongue for the first time right? But if you dont know yet anyone has that gift you wont speak in tongues if they are following you interpretation of what Paul said.
Lets consider a new congregation and nobody knows if someone has that gift...they cant speak in tongues because they dont know. They wont know because in your view they cant speak in tongues unless they know beforehand
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You missed the point. How do you know that person in your home church has that gift? The only way is to interpret a tongue for the first time right? But if you dont know yet anyone has that gift you wont speak in tongues if they are following you interpretation of what Paul said.
Lets consider a new congregation and nobody knows if someone has that gift...they cant speak in tongues because they dont know. They wont know because in your view they cant speak in tongues unless they know beforehand
Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?
If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.
I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
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1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret
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But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.
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:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God
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After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.
Some of you old timers chime in. Am I telling it right?
Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?
If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.
I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
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But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.
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After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.
Some of you old timers chime in. Am I telling it right?
You aren't understanding what the point is.
If they aren't supposed to speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter...then HOW will they know there IS an Interpreter until they DO speak in tongues to find out someone has that gift?
So the fact is, you just contradicted what you said earlier
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I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking.
The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.
Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it?
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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Praxeas, I do believe that I am understanding you, but evidently you are not understanding me.
Originally Posted by renee819
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Praxeas, have you never been in a service like that?
If a person feels led to speak out in tongues, they should do so. You've got to speak before you know if there is an interpreter there or not.. There is a holy hush that comes over the audience. everybody bows their head and prays that someone will bring forth the interpretation. And sometimes there is no interpretation. And that is the end of it.
I believe that is also in the right order according to Paul. They have to speak first.
But after one to three have spoken, wait for the Interpretation.
After that, if there is no interpretation, then there isn't to be any more speaking in tongues, in that service.
Praxeas wrote
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You aren't understanding what the point is.
If they aren't supposed to speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter...then HOW will they know there IS an Interpreter until they DO speak in tongues to find out someone has that gift?
So the fact is, you just contradicted what you said earlier
Renee wrote
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I believe that both were out of order, unless there was an interpretation to what the man was speaking
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Praveas wrote
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The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.
Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it?
This is where the problem is. There is no contradiction. The two that were out of order.
The man was preaching, he didn't speak in tongues as a message from God. If so then after he spoke in tongues then he should have waited for an interpretation. But it was for show.
The lady was praying for a persons healing. Paul says, if you pray or bless someone in tongues, how can a person in the room bless it, not knowing what you prayed.
Was she bringing a message in tongues to be interpreted? No.
I believe that Paul is teaching them, the only time that speaking in Unknown Tongues in church is appropriate, is when God is sending a message to be interpreted.
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1 Corinthians 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Now back to the chicken and the egg, which comes first.
If you know the people in the church, you will know if there is anyone there that has the gift of interpretation. It is a gift just as the gift of divers/unknown tongues is a gift. But if God inspires you to speak out, then usually there is someone there that can interpret. like the example above that I felt that I had the interpretation but I didn't speak out. The lady that brought the interpretation had never done that before.
Praveas wrote
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The fact is it only becomes "out of order" after 2 or 3 tongues and nobody has interpreted.
Just because no interpretation comes after the both of them does not mean it was out of order. Get it?
Right! If they had been bringing forth a message to be interpreted. Where they? NO! Did they wait for an interpretation? NO!
A person that has the gift of tongues, can speak in tongues anytime that they want to, or they can refrain. You could tell, as I've seen many do, they were speaking for show. Not bringing forth any kind of message to be interpreted.
I've done it myself, in my ignorance, before that I did some deeper studies.
I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.
If you know the people in the church, you will know if there is anyone there that has the gift of interpretation.
I believe, from experience, that when you are used in this gift, you don't have to know, beforehand, whether there is anyone present to interpret. I don't believe that is what the scripture is referencing here.
In that I mean, when you are used in this gift, you "know" before you speak out, that God is moving on you to give tongues and you "know" an interpretation will follow. It is with the Spirit you recognize what is about to take place, yield to it and speak out. Therefore, yielding to God's Spirit, you trust that He will move on a person to bring the interpretation. I don't bring the tongues on my own volition and I also don't bring the interpretation of my own volition. I don't have to stand there reflecting whether I personally know someone who has ever been used in that gift to be present.
I have been in a congregation where I knew no one, and tongues and interpretation came forth.
Also, the instruction in I Cor 14:13 says, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."
That could be a person's first time and first service (which I have also experienced) to ever be used in this way, because they prayed for it. As we can see, it is imperative to be sensitive to the moving of the Spirit.
I have also experienced tongues going forth and the person who had the interpretation admitting being afraid to give the interpretation and therefore, quenched the Spirit. Therefore, no interpretation followed.
I have also experienced God using someone else to give the interpretation when someone else was afraid to yield to it.
A person that has the gift of tongues, can speak in tongues anytime that they want to, or they can refrain. You could tell, as I've seen many do, they were speaking for show. Not bringing forth any kind of message to be interpreted.
I've done it myself, in my ignorance, before that I did some deeper studies.
I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues. I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.
Why not? The Spirit helps our infirmities, for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: the Spirit itself making intercession. He that searches the hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. - Romans 8:26-27
I believe, from experience, that when you are used in this gift, you don't have to know, beforehand, whether there is anyone present to interpret. I don't believe that is what the scripture is referencing here.
In that I mean, when you are used in this gift, you "know" before you speak out, that God is moving on you to give tongues and you "know" an interpretation will follow. It is with the Spirit you recognize what is about to take place, yield to it and speak out. Therefore, yielding to God's Spirit, you trust that He will move on a person to bring the interpretation. I don't bring the tongues on my own volition and I also don't bring the interpretation of my own volition. I don't have to stand there reflecting whether I personally know someone who has ever been used in that gift to be present.
I have been in a congregation where I knew no one, and tongues and interpretation came forth.
Also, the instruction in I Cor 14:13 says, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."
That could be a person's first time and first service (which I have also experienced) to ever be used in this way, because they prayed for it. As we can see, it is imperative to be sensitive to the moving of the Spirit.
I have also experienced tongues going forth and the person who had the interpretation admitting being afraid to give the interpretation and therefore, quenched the Spirit. Therefore, no interpretation followed.
I have also experienced God using someone else to give the interpretation when someone else was afraid to yield to it.
Right! Pressing On, You explained it better than I did.
Why not? The Spirit helps our infirmities, for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: the Spirit itself making intercession. He that searches the hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. - Romans 8:26-27
Because tongues is not a holier than thou gift to be paraded. You make a good point, but I believe that according to Paul's instructions, that is not the time to be praying in tongues, out loud.
I haven't been active in church for quiet some time, and I know that if I was praying for someone, I would find it hard not to pray in tongues. And yet, I would remind myself, “that's not the time to be praying in tongues.”
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1 Corinthians 14:5 ... except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
:40 Let all things be done decently and in order
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No way would I ever forbid to speak in tongues, except when it is out of order.
I think we need more of it. But it needs to be done right, with the interpretation. Since the gifts were given to edify the church, how is the church going to be edified if no one uses their gifts.
Do you have the gift of interpretation? Can you give me and others some instructions on it.
When I didn't speak out and I told the one that did interpret, she said if I had interpreted the words that I was given, more would have been given to me.
I was in a large church, and gave my testimony of being healed of Myasthenia Gravis. After which, I was asked to pray for a blind boy. I said a few words in English and then in my ignorance, the most of my prayer was in tongues.
I wish I could do that all over again. I would not today pray in tongues.
Was he healed?
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