My Rant Letter To Pentecostals / Apostolics

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by scotty

Nooooooo, not you too!!!!!

Just take one word and form an opinion...

Yea, I'm pretty sure thats it.

Quite the contrary, I have read every word you wrote in this thread. But I tend to only quote relevant quotes for a given point. For example, your claim relevant to my point was...

Originally Posted by scotty

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...I don't see it fit to insult people...

[Abiding Now]

Bump for Jacob's Ladder

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

This is awesome!

Please tell me about the miracles that you have witnessed "on the highways and byways".

Thanks.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Quite the contrary, I have read every word you wrote in this thread. But I tend to only quote relevant quotes for a given point. For example, your claim relevant to my point was...

Good, now that we have addressed and determined I am "insulting", shall we not get distracted from the point of the thread?

How does one take a Facebook post and insert a percieved doctrine on the poster?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by scotty

Guess that struck a nerve. Your response truly rings of a person with God in their life.

The point was, what makes you think because someone says "I can't wait to see what God is going to do in church tonight" that they truly believe He is confined to a building? How do you put the two together? How do you know that that person or their church has no ministry outside the building? Please, by all means, enlighten my idiotic and stupid self.

Fact is, you have taken a statement and ASSUMED your opinion of it is truth.

And since I don't see it fit to insult people I will simply say, God Bless!





Enlighten me, please.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Can't wait to see what God is going to do at church tomorrow!

Originally Posted by scotty

When you walk out the front door? Soooo, God can't do anything in your home?

This is crazy! How can you confine God outside of your home? Why do you not want God working in your home? Is God incapable of working blessings inside the four walls of your home?

I know, I took what you said and blew it up to be something that is totally ignorant and childish whinning when really that is not what you meant.

Hmmm, much like the point of this thread.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thats not what they said, according to you. They said they can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.

Should they have said instead "I dread the next church service because it's dead and God won't be doing anything there"?

What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?
2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?
3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?
4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”
5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?

I don't.

2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?

I get excited about every church service because I enjoy fellowship with the church family and worshipping together.

3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?

I feel this excitement when any function or fellowship of my church family is approaching whether it is church, bible study, prayer meetings, or a picnic, etc.

4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”

Because I can not wait to see what God will do IN the next service.

5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

You reworded question 3. Same answer applies.

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

Why not? While I realize and believe God can move at the grocery store or any other venue for that matter, why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need? However, I do EXPECT God to move in a setting where "2 or 3 agree" and not "forsaking the fellowship of the saints"

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

I see the point your trying to make, but I believe your reaching for the most part. We have had this discussion here before. I don't think anyone, even those who make such statements, believes that God is confined to the church building. However, anyone should EXPECT God to move in any church service therefore we should get excited to see the results of that EXPECTED move.

We might could go a step further and define the term "move". I have seen many post that make the statement "Can't wait to see what God has instore for me today" (does that mean the person believes God has something instore for them ONLY and no one else?) or statements like "Can't wait to shine my light today at ......" or some other comment in reference to witnessing. I believe that an unpredicted opportunity to witness to someone is a "move" of God. I believe God presents us with opportunities to testify to others and as such I classify those opportunities as God moving, not only in my life but in those who develop an itching ear.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

I don't understand what you mean by I've given prime examples in the above postings. I gave no examples in the above postings. All I asserted was there is nothing wrong with expecting God will do something in the church meeting. And that is to be expected, after all it was Jesus who said "Where two or more of you are gathered together in my name, there will I be in the midst of you"

People have come to expect that. We are told that if we are sick, to have the elders pray for us. That is also a gathering together of the church.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?

I don't. Who said they did? Shouldn't we expect God to do great things when we are gathered together in His name and He is in our midst like he said? Isn't it that blessing we experience in a church meeting that empowers and encourages us to go out as individuals and live for God and expect God to work miracles through us?

The church began with a grand gathering and the outpouring occurred. The were emboldened and empowered to go and speak in His name...and yet later on the gathered again as a group and were "filled" again with the Spirit...again emboldened to go out and speak in His name

Please read Acts ch 2 through ch 4. Church is where we are edified..built up.

Read 1Cor, Ephesians, 1 Thess

Even Jesus with His disciples was and example of that. They spent a lot of time together with Jesus...then they went out and worked for the kingdom only to return again and be taught and edified more by Jesus.

2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?

See above.. I ask you though. Don't you anticipate the gathering together?

3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?

That's like asking if the excitement you anticipate and experience when you kiss your girlfriend you experience when you eat a twinkie. Of course not. That does not mean you don't enjoy the twinkie. It's apples and oranges

4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”

See Answer #1

5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

See answer # 3

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

See answer #1

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

See #1

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

See #1.

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

See #1

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

God is expecting YOU to "move at the grocery store". God expects us to get off our rear ends and move. It's YOU that needs to do the moving not God. He already did HIS part. That is what the church MEETING is for, to be edified

A Valid argument might be we aren't doing enough between services. A brainwashed argument would be to argue against expecting God to move in our services

Respectfully
Praxeas

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

What I am trying to relay is very simple.

Praxeas, you amongst others have given prime examples in the above postings.

Here are a few questions I wouldn’t mind you folks answering.

1) Why do you solely anticipate to see what god will do at a church service?
2) What has caused you to be excited about being in the next church service?
3) This excitement and expectation you anticipate in the next church service, do you feel that excitement at all times or only when church service is approaching?
4) What has caused you or others to say, “can't wait for the service to see what God will do IN the service.”
5) Do you feel this same anticipation and expectation at all times or only when going to church?

And the final question

6) If you always have the mindset of expecting God to move (not just only in the next service), why make a big deal about seeing what exactly god will do in the next service?

I mean, if you are always expecting God to move, your feelings between attending church or visiting the grocery store should be no different.

However, if you are of the “brainwashed mindset,” you will make the comment of “I can’t wait to see what god will do at the next church service. “

You will make that comment because you are accustomed to seeing god move only at church service, thus, the “brainwashed mentality” of only expecting god to move in a church service and not at a grocery store.

If you genuinely expected god to move equally at the grocery store as you would in a church service, you wouldn’t make the comment of, “I can’t wait what god will do in church service,” because you would already have the mindset of expecting god to move anywhere. There’s no need to get excited about watching God move in a church service if you’re already expecting Him to move everywhere you go.

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

This is what I think...

When someone is given an answer...a reason, if you will, for why a person wrote what they did on their FB wall, and that someone still doesn't get it...

That someone is just refusing, for whatever reason to get it.

People get excited about attending a service, be it a building, tent, or backyard meeting.

For me, it is the level of worship...the anointed preaching of the Word...the fellowship of like minded folk.

And while I can, and do, experience the presence of the Lord in other arenas, it is the assembling of the faithful that thrills me.

It is NOT a brainwashed mindset.

Nor do I believe the building is the only place God will move.

Furthermore, I do not know of anyone who feels the way you imply.

I'm sorry for you that you simply don't get it, or wish to get it, and desire to make an issue out of something that clearly is NOT an issue.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Scotty,

My comments in red are in response to your posting in blue directly above.

Originally Posted by scotty

I get excited about every church service because I enjoy fellowship with the church family and worshipping together.
I feel this excitement when any function or fellowship of my church family is approaching whether it is church, bible study, prayer meetings, or a picnic, etc Because I can not wait to see what God will do IN the next service

I understand you, but here is something you should ponder. In your above posting I took notice that your excitement comes when surrounded with brethren of like minded faith, whether at church, bible study, or picnics. I also took notice that you failed mentioning about being excited about god's supernatural manifestation while by yourself. In your above postings you're always surrounded by individuals (e.g church, prayer meetings, picnics, etc.). Could it be that simply being around people excites you, and that it isn't necessarily God's manifestation? You don't have to answer...simply think about it.

Originally Posted by scotty

Why not? While I realize and believe God can move at the grocery store or any other venue for that matter, why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need? However, I do EXPECT God to move in a setting where "2 or 3 agree" and not "forsaking the fellowship of the saints"

Once again, take notice. At the grocery store you would be by yourself, not surrounded by brethren of like-minded faith. You also stated above, "why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need?" Everytime you walk out of your house, there's always a need. If there's a sinner at the grocery store, there's a need. If there's a saint at the grocery store, they have needs too. I don't expect you to walk up to every person at the grocery store and witness to them. I'm simply trying to relay that there's always a need.

Originally Posted by scotty

I see the point your trying to make, but I believe your reaching for the most part. We have had this discussion here before. I don't think anyone, even those who make such statements, believes that God is confined to the church building. However, anyone should EXPECT God to move in any church service therefore we should get excited to see the results of that EXPECTED move.

I don't believe I'm reaching for anything other than facts. While others may not necessarily believe that spiritually god is confined to a building, the mindset had been programmed in people that in a church service is where god's supernatural manifestation reveals itself, hence, "I can't wait for service to see what god is going to do!"

Respectfully,
Jacob's Ladder

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's like asking if the excitement you anticipate and experience when you kiss your girlfriend you experience when you eat a twinkie. Of course not. That does not mean you don't enjoy the twinkie. It's apples and oranges

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Once again, take notice. At the grocery store you would be by yourself, not surrounded by brethren of like-minded faith. You also stated above, "why would I EXPECT Him to move at the grocery store unless there was a need?" Everytime you walk out of your house, there's always a need. If there's a sinner at the grocery store, there's a need. If there's a saint at the grocery store, they have needs too. I don't expect you to walk up to every person at the grocery store and witness to them. I'm simply trying to relay that there's always a need.

I have Bible study groups in Whole Foods Supermarket in the cafe area, the same with Barnes and Noble. Are you saying that you want people to get prayed through in the isles of of a grocery store? Start shouting your hair down, and begin to prophesy over the people in customer service? You would have a shift manager wave over a police officer to escort you out of the building. I understand what you are saying but I really think there are bigger fish to fry. If someone is excited about what is going on in their church doesn't mean they wouldn't pray someone through to the Holy Ghost in the garden section of Wal Mart.