Why The Wrath Of God Must Be Preached

[renee819]

Seeker, What you are saying is true, however, the wrath of God maybe should be preached first. And what do we want God to do, while the wrath is being preached? Knock someone dead? I hope not.

I also am very concerned that the church that preaches the Power, seems to lack the Power? Is anyone even getting saved any more? Is anyone receiving the Holy Ghost in the churches? I don't hear of many healings.

I watched the video this morning. And he is right on, telling the Truth. If there is no preaching of the wrath of God,---then there will be-----no repentance. In the church or out. If God is JUST love, and people have the mistaken idea, that God accepts them, sin and all, just the way that they are, then there is too much sin in the Camp, for God to answer prayer, with miracles.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Charnock

That's true.

Preachers who do so are nothing more than professors of escapism. Escapism is a poor substitute for relationship with God.

The sooner we realize eternity is now the better off we'll be. Those currently spiritually dead will remain in that state forever unless they are born again. Those who have been born again have ALREADY escaped Hell.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Eternity is not now.

Therefore, brothers, be more diligent to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never stumble. 1:11 For thus you will be richly supplied with the entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:10

No one is yet in Heaven nor in Hell. If we do the things (in this life) Peter speaks of we will never fall.

We disagree, and that's cool.

I am presently saved. Eternal life is within me.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." John 6:47

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" John 11:25

"Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God." Romans 6:13

That said, I may choose to abandon faith. If I walk away from faith and continue in an unrepentant life God will blot my name out of the Lamb's Book of Life.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

People don't get it. They don't understand that AMIMALS have souls too.

10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

The word LIFE is SOUL in the Hebrew.

Are their souls immortal also?

We got into a playful conversation on this question at church once. My answer was, Jesus returns on a white horse... my Bible only describes animals being created on earth. So by implication this horse had to have originated on earth. So, I'd say, yes. lol

Of course, theologically speaking, it's anyone's guess. It's definitely a lighter discussion than most. The following two books address it to some degree...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-A...n+randy+alcorn

http://www.amazon.com/Will-I-See-Fid...Fido+in+heaven

[Aquila]

I was always told to "Preach 'em into Hell... then show 'em how to escape".

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We got into a playful conversation on this question at church once. My answer was, Jesus returns on a white horse... my Bible only describes animals being created on earth. So by implication this horse had to have originated on earth. So, I'd say, yes. lol

Of course, theologically speaking, it's anyone's guess. It's definitely a lighter discussion than most. The following two books address it to some degree...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-A...n+randy+alcorn

http://www.amazon.com/Will-I-See-Fid...Fido+in+heaven

Interesting books! I may have to get the 2nd one for my wife for her upcoming birthday.

These books certainly seem to show a more positive view of heaven than I ever heard in the UPC -which is that heaven was going to be an eternal song service/alter call!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Interesting books! I may have to get the 2nd one for my wife for her upcoming birthday.

These books certainly seem to show a more positive view of heaven than I ever heard in the UPC -which is that heaven was going to be an eternal song service/alter call!

I really enjoyed the, Will I See Fido, book. It was very light but actually got deeper than you might expect in some places. Great book really.

Randy Alcorn's book is the result of like over 20 years of research involving Heaven and the afterlife. It's was the best book on Heaven I've read so far. I also have another book on Heaven that is pretty good, but no where near as comprehensive as Alcorn's:

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Heave...he+True+Heaven

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I really enjoyed the, Will I See Fido, book. It was very light but actually got deeper than you might expect in some places. Great book really.

Randy Alcorn's book is the result of like over 20 years of research involving Heaven and the afterlife. It's was the best book on Heaven I've read so far. I also have another book on Heaven that is pretty good, but no where near as comprehensive as Alcorn's:

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Heave...he+True+Heaven

I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.

Right. For the first 1000 years, we will be right here on planet Earth, as kings and priests, with plenty of work to do.
After that, on the New Earth, we just have to wait and see.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by renee819

Right. For the first 1000 years, we will be right here on planet Earth, as kings and priests, with plenty of work to do.
After that, on the New Earth, we just have to wait and see.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.

That was one of Randy Alcorn's main points. What he calls the "intermediate Heaven" is a spiritual reality. Our "eternal Heaven" (as he calls it) is an eternity in the New Heavens and the New Earth. The primary focus of the book is the New Creation and our resurrected and glorified state.