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Old 05-31-2013, 11:18 PM
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Seriously?

That is sad. Do you even know why he got out of the car?
Or it just simply does not matter he is guilty no matter if he was blind sided and jumped or anything else. I am not saying that's what happened because I do n't know but to make such a statement is ludicrous. He is innocent until proven guilty or is it because he is partially Caucasian and the other was black? It seems to me that some in this country have him tried and found guilty without even caring to find out what happened.
This happened the moment that NBC aired the doctored sound bite of his 911 call.

Also, nearly every news media source still continues to show pictures of Martin as he looked 5-6 years ago when he was MUCH shorter and Zimmerman when he was MUCH heavier, which gives the impression that it was a scrawny 12 year old against a 200+ lb bouncer.

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Old 05-31-2013, 11:22 PM
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So it's okay to walk around with a gun and provoke people you think is a bad seed. He wasn't just casually following Martin since he knew Zimmerman was following him. Martin prolly thought Zimmerman was some wacko and if he didn't attack first he would have been attacked.

Zimmerman was the aggressor in the initial confrontation (by stalking) so Martin felt like he needed to be on the defensive. If he threw the first punch or not does not matter, he knew Zimmerman was stalking him making him feel unsafe.
Wow! You know exactly what Treyvon was thinking!
BTW Zimmerman had a CONCEALED CARRY. It was not walking around pointing a gun a people.

So a neighborhood watch person is NOT supposed to "watch" because YOU will say they are "stalking".

Wow!
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:26 PM
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This happened the moment that NBC aired the doctored sound bite of his 911 call.

Also, nearly every news media source still continues to show pictures of Martin as he looked 5-6 years ago when he was MUCH shorter and Zimmerman when he was MUCH heavier, which gives the impression that it was a scrawny 12 year old against a 200+ lb bouncer.
The MSM is absolutely culpable here and is culpable if a non-biased jury cannot be found. They doctored the evidence to make it appear as a racist event condemning Zimmerman.

IMO they should be sued and I hate frivolous law suits. I just dislike the MSM and there way of "reporting", and THAT is being kind.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:29 PM
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The MSM is absolutely culpable here and is culpable if a non-biased jury cannot be found. They doctored the evidence to make it appear as a racist event condemning Zimmerman.

IMO they should be sued and I hate frivolous law suits. I just dislike the MSM and there way of "reporting", and THAT is being kind.
Yes, to say you 'dislike' them is one of those "understatements of the century". LOL (I feel the EXACT same way.)
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:44 PM
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Seriously?

That is sad. Do you even know why he got out of the car?
Or it just simply does not matter he is guilty no matter if he was blind sided and jumped or anything else. I am not saying that's what happened because I do n't know but to make such a statement is ludicrous. He is innocent until proven guilty or is it because he is partially Caucasian and the other was black? It seems to me that some in this country have him tried and found guilty without even caring to find out what happened.
Actually I sort of understand. Its a feeling people get when something tragic happens, especially death at the hands of someone else. Its a feeling that someone's to blame. Its like when a child dies by accident some people would put parents through the ringer trying to find some way to blame them or anybody for the tragedy. And they tend to make the person malicious, negligent, and downright evil to justify their desire to put them at blame. And since Zimmerman mistakenly thought Trayvon was up to something and tragedy happend someone had to be at blamed.

From one end of the spectrum Z could have hunted TM down and murdered him because he just thought that TM was criminal.

On the other end of the spectrum Z could been attacked heading back to his truck and killed TM in self defense.

Both are plausible with the amount of evidence I've seen so far.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:06 AM
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Absolute proof rarely exists. I predict a quick trial though. It all comes down to Zimmerman's documented injuries at the time of the incident. If Zimmerman lacked injuries then it's not going to matter whatever other scenario was possible. Without the injuries no unbiased person is going to be convinced that Zimmerman was justified in killing the other and without that justification he will be the one held responsible. If he has substantial injuries then the acutal killing will be seen as self defense. If he was injuried but not very badly then he will likely get a lesser sentence but will still serve time due to the death of the other man.

It all hinges on his injuries as it well should. A gun should never be fired with the intention of shooting someone unless all signs point to it being necessary to do so.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:24 AM
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Absolute proof rarely exists. I predict a quick trial though. It all comes down to Zimmerman's documented injuries at the time of the incident. If Zimmerman lacked injuries then it's not going to matter whatever other scenario was possible. Without the injuries no unbiased person is going to be convinced that Zimmerman was justified in killing the other and without that justification he will be the one held responsible. If he has substantial injuries then the acutal killing will be seen as self defense. If he was injuried but not very badly then he will likely get a lesser sentence but will still serve time due to the death of the other man.

It all hinges on his injuries as it well should. A gun should never be fired with the intention of shooting someone unless all signs point to it being necessary to do so.

He wasn't a man.
He was 17.

Had he died some other way, we would be inclined to say that this boy died before he even had a chance to live life, or that this boy died without even knowing what life is even about.


TM wasn't "high" when this incident happened.

As for lying, the defendant and his wife are the ones whose word has been compromised-- "How much money do you have?"

Also, "Neighborhood Watch" is not supposed to be armed when on duty. Their training indicates this and their training is for them to "watch" not confront-- especially when NOTHING is happening right in front of you.

The defendant will have this on his conscience for the rest of his life, if he's any kind of decent human being. He knows that had he not followed that 17 year old, none of this would be happening-- but he did follow him, based on his decision to prejudge TM's intents and to act on his prejudice instead of following the instructions of the dispatch.

I use the word "prejudge" because that is what the defendant did. He decided TM was guilty of doing something or even guilty of about to do something.

The defendant's prejudice led to the death of a 17 year old boy.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:27 AM
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JD, someone is bashing your head into the ground and you have a gun on you,cause you can legally carry what would you have done?
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:11 AM
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JD, someone is bashing your head into the ground and you have a gun on you,cause you can legally carry what would you have done?
He would have invited him over for tea.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:13 AM
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If someone is on top of you giving you a beat down it is easy to shoot and kill with one round. Hard to miss.
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