Devastating Tornado Slams Oklahoma

[ILG]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I suggest learning a whole lot more about my city and my people before saying something as stupid as this.

There are a whole lot things that are completely different about the two scenarios. Maybe if you use that head of yours you may come up with something other than insults for people you know little to nothing about.

My husband went for a week and helped with clean-up about a year or two after the disaster. He was amazed that it was still that bad. How bad is it now and why?

[Light]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I agree, Oklahoma didn't have GWB blowing up any banks holding back the sea. . . . .


Of course if you want to talk about the HUGE difference in corruption between the two cities, then I will agree that it is Apples and Oranges.

Yea and children are needlessly dead because the people (republican officials) were to stinking tight to construct safe rooms in the schools all the while knowing this area of OK is know as tornado alley.
Republicans hate the government but the first thing the (R) Gov. did was ask the gov. for money.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Light

Yea and children are needlessly dead because the people (republican officials) were to stinking tight to construct safe rooms in the schools all the while knowing this area of OK is know as tornado alley.
Republicans hate the government but the first thing the (R) Gov. did was ask the gov. for money.

Show your sources.

You claimed:
1) children are dead because Republican officials were "to[o] stinking tight to construct safe rooms in the schools all the while knowing this area of OK is know as tornado alley."

and

2) the first thing the (R) Gov. did was ask the gov. for money.

Give sources to back up your claims. Either show links to the sources that show Republicans were responsible for not constructing safe rooms; and that the first thing the Gov did was ask for money, or retract your claims.

On the political thread, you demand the same from us making claims about Obama. The same applies to you. You slander anyone making these type of claims against the Obama admin. The same applies to you. I won't call you a liar like you call us in the political thread, but I do want you to back your claims up with links to the sources.

[n david]

Hey Light -- it's not Republicans. Take your meds.

Moore has been trying to get federal money to subsidize residents who want to buy safe rooms. The city expressed its frustration in February on the city website, saying, "We've found that the FEMA requirements and their interpretations seem to be a constantly moving target, more so with the new wrinkles."

It wasn't Republicans fault, like you claim. It's FEMA who's to blame!

"If you don't have disasters, you don't have additional money for mitigation for safe rooms, but without disasters there's not a set funding source just for safe rooms," Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Craig Fugate said.

This is the dumbest statement ever. If you don't have disasters, you don't get money....but what good is money AFTER the disaster happens!

LINK

This is FEMA.

city officials posted a message in February advising residents their pursuit of a Federal Emergency and Management Agency grant remained "on hold" pending approval of the city's hazard mitigation plan.

The message also noted that since Oklahoma had not had a presidential disaster declaration for several years, the city's priority for a grant would be lower.

FEMA and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development have programs that help subsidize up to 75 percent of the cost of building public shelters and some private safe rooms, but they come with many restrictions.

FEMA! NOT Republicans!

You should apologize. You accused Republicans of "needlessly" killing children because they "were too stinkin tight" to give money for it.

In fact, THE OPPOSITE is true - Oklahoma gov't officials (you know, these Republicans you slander) give rebates and tax incentives to homeowners to help build shelters.

LINK

I've disagreed with your politics before, but I've never been so disgusted as I am now. Accusing Republicans of killing children because their too tight with money, when it's not the Republicans who are responsible. It's FEMA.

[n david]

On your second accusation, again FALSE.

President Obama called Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin on Monday evening to offer federal support for the communities hit by a devastating tornado, the White House said in a statement.

So it was OBAMA who called first and offered support, not the Oklahoma Governor who asked for it.

LINK

You always demand conservatives apologize in the political thread for make statements that are incorrect. You accuse us of being liars whenever we make a statement that's the slightest bit incorrect.

You should do the same.

[Light]

nDavid did you watch the tornado live from the start? I watched from the moment msnbc stopped regular programming till late that night.
If you did you would have seen and heard the governor say in her first speech that she contacted the federal government for assistance. In later conference she then said Obama called her.
I looked for that speech on YouTube but can't find it. Will see if msnbc has video of it.
As for blaming FIMA what hypocrites, Oklahoma is a red state. A less federal government state. You can't have it both ways. If you want less government fix your needs at a state level. They admitted they needed safe rooms but refused to do nothing but blame the government.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Light

nDavid did you watch the tornado live from the start? I watched from the moment msnbc stopped regular programming till late that night.
If you did you would have seen and heard the governor say in her first speech that she contacted the federal government for assistance. In later conference she then said Obama called her.
I looked for that speech on YouTube but can't find it. Will see if msnbc has video of it.
As for blaming FIMA what hypocrites, Oklahoma is a red state. A less federal government state. You can't have it both ways. If you want less government fix your needs at a state level. They admitted they needed safe rooms but refused to do nothing but blame the government.

There's your problem ... "I watched from the moment MSNBC stopped regular programming until late that night." MSNBC is the most-partisan channel per a Pew Study you can read HERE. According to the study, only 15% of what MSNBC reports is based on FACTS; the remaining 85% is partisan commentary/opinion. BTW, FoxNews is 55/45 ... 55% commentary/opinion and 45% based on facts.

So you're refusing to apologize for claiming Republicans "needlessly" killed children because they were too tight...even though I proved you're wrong. You LIED. You're intentionally accusing the Republicans of the act of killing kids because of money and funds. It's despicable. It's disgusting. You should apologize for lying about this and for saying Republicans would needlessly kill kids.

And when I give FACTS that it's not Republicans, but it's the Obama administration to blame for putting their application on hold -- you say, no no, they're hypocrites for even asking for money. You say, how hypocritical for a red state and Republican governor to even ask for money from the government when they want less government.

It's not hypocritical. There are certain areas in which federal government involvement is a GOOD thing, a NEEDFUL thing. Disaster relief and FEMA requests like this are one of those things in which it's possible to be for less government and still ask for assistance.

As bad and slow as the response was, even the Bush administration sent $15 billion to New Orleans to build a hurricane protection system. That was a Republican administration.

Also, you should know that the Moore, OK officials complained about the FEMA hold BEFORE the tornado, earlier this spring. They didn't wait until after this storm to do so. They've been complaining about this for a while.

I've already proved you lied about the Republicans not giving money to build storm shelters, but I'm still waiting for sources to back up your claims on the governor. The WH says Obama called and offered assistance. You claim the governor asked first. Show a link to the source.

[MissBrattified]

First of all, Governor Fallin didn't vote against the relief for Hurricane Sandy. Check your facts. In fact, she sent a letter on January 14 of this year recommending the bill be passed. She said, "Providing disaster relief is not and never should be a political issue."

And yes, Gov. Fallin DID put in a request for federal disaster relief for the affected counties. It doesn't matter who called who first; it would have been done regardless--it's standard protocol to free up channels so affected individuals can have access to federal assistance if they so choose.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Light

Yea and children are needlessly dead because the people (republican officials) were to stinking tight to construct safe rooms in the schools all the while knowing this area of OK is know as tornado alley.
Republicans hate the government but the first thing the (R) Gov. did was ask the gov. for money.

Which is completely consistent with the REPUBLICAN Governor's willingness to give money to other states for the same reason--disaster relief. I guess she's not all that "stinking tight."

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by ILG

My husband went for a week and helped with clean-up about a year or two after the disaster. He was amazed that it was still that bad. How bad is it now and why?

It's not really bad now.. and certainly nothing like the ignorant and idiotic statement Randy made.

Sure there are houses that have still not been touched, but we have always had blighted houses in this city, so that's no different than before. There are a whole lot more vacant lots. There are some who have not gotten a dime from any insurance whatsoever -- homeowners or flood. Others have not gotten enough to rebuild, even with assistance they have received. Some have been ripped off by contractor scam artists. Yet there are many more who have moved on and rebuilt their homes and their lives.

It's a mixed bag, but what can one expect for such a large area with a dense population that was impacted by a widespread hurricane coupled with the failings of the Army Corp of Engineers that created mass flooding.