Gambling with our kids!!!!

[rrford]

Originally Posted by secretplace

RRFord

Why did you say on another thread that you didn't agree that it was wrong to be on sports teams? (I'm too lazy to look back to see exactly what you said.)

I actually have mixed emotions about this one. For instance, I see the value in the interaction, teamwork and comraderie so long as the environment is a good environment.

Yet, there is little doubt to me that there are some risks involved. There are also some organized sports I could never condone a young perosn being involved in. Take football, for example. The very nature of the game makes it somewhat counter-productive to the work of the Spirit, IMO. Hard to ask a kid to manifest the fruit of the Spirit in his life yet go and be as aggressive as what organized football demands. I realize not all will agree with that assessment but I am pretty content with my view on football.

Further, there are so many factors beyond the sport itself. Time management, spirit, attitude, priorities, etc. Ultimately, this should be a family and parental decision. That does not mean a pastor cannot and should not teach about it. Doesn't even mean he can't take a strong stand against it. Just some of how I feel about these things.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

I actually have mixed emotions about this one. For instance, I see the value in the interaction, teamwork and comraderie so long as the environment is a good environment.

Yet, there is little doubt to me that there are some risks involved. There are also some organized sports I could never condone a young perosn being involved in. Take football, for example. The very nature of the game makes it somewhat counter-productive to the work of the Spirit, IMO. Hard to ask a kid to manifest the fruit of the Spirit in his life yet go and be as aggressive as what organized football demands. I realize not all will agree with that assessment but I am pretty content with my view on football.

Further, there are so many factors beyond the sport itself. Time management, spirit, attitude, priorities, etc. Ultimately, this should be a family and parental decision. That does not mean a pastor cannot and should not teach about it. Doesn't even mean he can't take a strong stand against it. Just some of how I feel about these things.

stinkin' liberal

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

stinkin' liberal

Oh, I thought ya'll thought I was an Ultr Con?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

Oh, I thought ya'll thought I was an Ultr Con?

That was just a clever ruse on your part. You had us all fooled.

[secretplace]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

How funny. He lucked out. The big bad devil must not have wanted him as badly.

He lucked out was said TIC.

[secretplace]

Originally Posted by rrford

I actually have mixed emotions about this one. For instance, I see the value in the interaction, teamwork and comraderie so long as the environment is a good environment.

Yet, there is little doubt to me that there are some risks involved. There are also some organized sports I could never condone a young perosn being involved in. Take football, for example. The very nature of the game makes it somewhat counter-productive to the work of the Spirit, IMO. Hard to ask a kid to manifest the fruit of the Spirit in his life yet go and be as aggressive as what organized football demands. I realize not all will agree with that assessment but I am pretty content with my view on football.

Further, there are so many factors beyond the sport itself. Time management, spirit, attitude, priorities, etc. Ultimately, this should be a family and parental decision. That does not mean a pastor cannot and should not teach about it. Doesn't even mean he can't take a strong stand against it. Just some of how I feel about these things.

I totally agree with your views on football. I know a pastor who is encouraging his assistant pastor to go with his son to his games on Sunday a.m. Hello??? I really see this issue as "gambling with your kids". I know some wouldn't agree with me...they don't believe in gambling.

[secretplace]

What thinkest thou, Arphaxad?

[secretplace]

With girls and sports, one has to consider the dress code. If it can't be done in apostolic dress it shouldn't be done. I've yet to see an apostolic girl playing on a team in a dress.

With guys...is it wrong for them to be in shorts on the gym floor?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Sorry, we Apostolics have been led to believe physical activity (other than stuffing our faces) is of the devil. Thats why we struggle with weight so horribly.
Organized sports is a healthy way to exercise, fellowship and win souls.

PP,

I don't know who told you that.

I never, ever got that impression.

And have you been to Wal Mart lately? We don't struggle with weight any more than Methodists or anybody else.

Americans are fat, not just Apostolics.

That is a nasty stereotype the retreads have perpetrated, and some of us help it along by believing it and repeating it.

[Coonskinner]

One thing some refuse to acknowledge is that competitive athletics has its own distinct "culture," especially as kids move toward high school.

This varies from place to place and from coach to coach, but in general I find it to be a derivative of what James called "the wisdom of this world."

Could my kids play T Ball without losing their souls?

I'm sure they could.

But I do not want to feed an appetite that has become a monstrous idol for many Americans.

My sons have footballs, basketballs, baseballs and bats and gloves, and they love to play with other kids in informal settings.

But I choose not to let some ungodly coach with a bloated ego become a figure of massive influence in their lives.

There are other role models I prefer for them.