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Old 09-18-2012, 03:46 PM
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Hurt with who? The 47%? They aren't going to vote for him anyway. It's going to hurt him with MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY TIMES, and the Northeast coast, Beltway and Left Coast elite types? These are the same guys giving BO a pass on all that happened at the convention (removing Jerusalem as capital of Israel in platform) and all that happened last week. Hurt with folks that would rather see Obama win than Romney?

All of this is distraction from the fact that this economy is terrible and Obama is a horrible president and the timing of the video, from May has been held in reserve for a disastrous week like last week for Obama. They probably wanted to wait until 2 weeks before the election to bring it out, but the collapse of the Obama Doctrine of apology and appeasement in the Middle East forced them to bring it out. And in the end it is silly parsing of statements made to donors. Everyone who is fair knows he wasn't saying he doesn't care about people. And everyone knows that what he is saying about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict (I'm taking your word for it, I haven't heard it) is true. The Arabs have no desire to settle the issue, they want Israel destroyed. They still don't even recognize Israel's right to exist.

Smoke and mirrors---you might be fooled, but not me and not most of Americans on Nov 6.
I'm not fooled by the 47% comment, I understood what he was saying. My point, at the outset of this thread and with this campaign is that the man is a Progressive Republican. I don't support that.

My view of his video comments were focused on these words alone - "...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax."

And My POINT is that he developed the blueprint of "dependency" on healthcare in his OWN state, as Governor. So, it seems rather disingenuous for him to even be making that type of statement about "entitlements."

We can argue state's rights v. federal rights all day long, but the real issue is that a true "conservative" is always FOR "small and limited government." We are supposed to succeed and fall on our own merits. It is the bedrock of this nation and what we were founded on - the word is Liberty. A mandate, at any level, is not Liberty.

I don't know how Romney is going to keep the pre-existing conditions, that he likes, from Obamacare. If he mandates that insurance companies cover the people, he is not a conservative.

He hasn't ironed out a whole lot of these things a head of his election, so I don't know why people are up in arms that we are not willing to support someone who is not plain on what he is actually going to do.
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I don't have a problem with poor and less fortunate paying no taxes. I do care about people getting refunds who paid nothing to begin with. And a lot of those tax breaks helped middle class families too. The poor aren't the only ones with children. I'm all for more people to pay less taxes, poor, middle class and rich!

I am against entitlements that keep people mired in poverty and encourage irresponsible lifestyles.
I agree. But, it still doesn't negate the fact that the Republicans also have policies in place to take Americans off the tax rolls.
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A wise man changes his mind, a fool never does.
Right, Doodley Squat. I get ya! Anyone that disagrees with you is stupid and a fool. Got that.
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FULL VIDEO RELEASED: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ney-fundraiser

ROMNEY ON ISRAEL VIDEO CLIP: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...dle-east-peace
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:16 PM
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Right, Doodley Squat. I get ya! Anyone that disagrees with you is stupid and a fool. Got that.
Blame my grandpa. It was a quip of his. And my dad, an ardent Democrat used that one on me in 2004 discussing Kerry's flip flops.

I'm not calling you a fool. I'm saying Romney is wise to change his mind on certain issues that are losing ones unless he changes course.
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HEY EVERYBODY! I've got Obama on videotape saying things like "spread the wealth" (remember Joe the Plumber) and "you didn't build that!" (at a rally earlier this year) and "Egypt is not our all and they are not our enemy" (last week)---EXCEPT IT'S NOT A "SECRET" VIDEO!!!!!!

HE SAYS THIS STUFF IN PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!
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Blame my grandpa. It was a quip of his. And my dad, an ardent Democrat used that one on me in 2004 discussing Kerry's flip flops.

I'm not calling you a fool. I'm saying Romney is wise to change his mind on certain issues that are losing ones unless he changes course.
I don't have trouble with people who "really" change their minds. He just comes across as pandering. He makes me feel tired and still wondering...
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I was going to agree with something he said in the second link, but I backtracked thinking, I'm not really sure he believes that.
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Deacon,
This is a great exchange between Newt and Daley.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasol...ama-would-win/
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Palestinian comments put Romney in more hot water

Washington: Mitt Romney told donors the Palestinians “have no interest whatsoever” in peace with Israel and if elected president he would just kick the issue down the road, a leaked video showed on Tuesday.

Displaying little nuance about different Palestinian factions, his remarks appear to dismiss the possibility that any Palestinian leaders are willing to work towards peace with Israel.

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/usa/p...ater-1.1078156
Is this becoming Mitt's theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw
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