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Old 07-25-2012, 04:01 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity

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It never occured to me when I read it that he was Trin. Just that he felt Oneness was deficient in its view of the pre existence. To bad he never came back I really wanted to hear his view. Almost tempted to buy the book.
He's oneness. He was saying Oneness does not know enough about how the trinity evolved
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:38 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity

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It never occured to me when I read it that he was Trin. Just that he felt Oneness was deficient in its view of the pre existence. To bad he never came back I really wanted to hear his view. Almost tempted to buy the book.
I ordered his book from the PPH.
It is not in stock and has been back ordered.
The $18.24 cost has been debited from my checking account.

The sad thing is that by the time the book gets here it will be put away some where and added to an ever growing list of unread books.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:59 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity

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To all: Re a new book:
The Development of the Trinity: The Evolution of a New Doctrine

The book is finally out! It is the tip of the iceberg of over 7 years of serious study on the graduate school level. My M.A. is in church history.

This was accepted as "sound" historically by the Baptist seminary. The school now has a copy of the book. It is published---and featured on the opening page "new works" of Pentecostal Publishing House. (pentecostalpublsihing.com)

But....I need help to get the book and its message out to pastors and churches. We in the OP have not had a solid answer of how the preexistence of Christ and related issues evolved. It is tremendously influential to trinitarian pastors. But it will work if we understand this first. If anyone can help spread the word, that is great.

I might open up a webs site where both those that agree and those that want to challenge me (us) can write in. I an not computer savvy enough so will have to get some help.

Anyway, enjoy the book and write back with response. You can get a download at Amazon.com, or a free sample of it at Barnes and Noble.

I am available for seminars in this and related (church history, oneness) issues, especially for pastors and ministers. Have taught this at Gateway Bible School on-line and other schools in person.

God bless and use us!

Bro Davidson
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The book arrived today.
Unfortunately I have no idea when I will read it
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:58 PM
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The book arrived today.
Unfortunately I have no idea when I will read it
Just read the chapter on pre existence. Thats the thing he accented. And yes I want to know what he said!
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I think we can agree with that whether we consider ourselves to be trinity or oneness.
- What 'oneness' scriptures are there ? Thanks.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:14 PM
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- What 'oneness' scriptures are there ? Thanks.
There are just scriptures, some see oneness there and some see trinity
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:39 AM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity

I had the privilege to meet this gentleman at campmeeting. He was very kind and signed my book for me.

The book seems to have an extensive bibliography.
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I had the privilege to meet this gentleman at campmeeting. He was very kind and signed my book for me.

The book seems to have an extensive bibliography.
Will be waiting for your review.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:26 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity

Well my wife ordered this book. I was skimming it today hoping to find something to get excited about. Unfortunately theres not much there except a rehash of former Oneness views concerning the evolution of the Trinity. I had read these things back in 1980 or somewhere in that time frame.

He says the Logos was the root of the Trinity. Then astonishingly he marginally mentions what (modern) Oneness believes. He from what I have seen makes no attempt to actually analyze the "logos".

Very disappointing to me. Now if you are a Oneness who has never occasioned to study the evolution of the Trinity doctrine there would be things to learn. It still fails in the sense of giving no, or at least so little Biblical teaching on "Logos" that one would hardly notice.

For anyone interested the most profound Oneness book I know of was:

If Ye Know These Things by Elder Ross Drysdale

It was written to refute Greg Boyd, a backslidden Oneness believer now popular among Trins.

There is a section on the Pre Existence Of Christ that gives the true Oneness revelation of the LOGOS DOCTRINE.

Follow this link from my web site. Its on the way back machine archived by Michael Blume. The whole book is there online.

http://www.freeforum101.com/inthelig...rum=inthelight
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Well my wife ordered this book. I was skimming it today hoping to find something to get excited about. Unfortunately theres not much there except a rehash of former Oneness views concerning the evolution of the Trinity. I had read these things back in 1980 or somewhere in that time frame.

He says the Logos was the root of the Trinity. Then astonishingly he marginally mentions what (modern) Oneness believes. He from what I have seen makes no attempt to actually analyze the "logos".

Very disappointing to me. Now if you are a Oneness who has never occasioned to study the evolution of the Trinity doctrine there would be things to learn. It still fails in the sense of giving no, or at least so little Biblical teaching on "Logos" that one would hardly notice.

For anyone interested the most profound Oneness book I know of was:

If Ye Know These Things by Elder Ross Drysdale

It was written to refute Greg Boyd, a backslidden Oneness believer now popular among Trins.

There is a section on the Pre Existence Of Christ that gives the true Oneness revelation of the LOGOS DOCTRINE.

Follow this link from my web site. Its on the way back machine archived by Michael Blume. The whole book is there online.

http://www.freeforum101.com/inthelig...rum=inthelight
Why be disappointed a book set out to do what he said it would? Would you read a book about dogs and say "I was disappointed it did not mention birds"?
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