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Old 06-20-2012, 11:03 AM
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If that's where you think the UPC is heading I won't mention Bro. Barnes, Bro. Bean or what transpired in Bro. Cole's ministry - oh, why not. One evening he asked God to stop the monsoon so people could make it to a Holy Ghost Crusade in the Phillipines. God did it. When rally started, he prayed again, only asking that it would ran. It rained.

Aquila, as far as Bin Laden being a staunch strict Muslim, there was porn and Viagra in his compound room. Bin Laden never strapped a bomb to himself.

If Bro. Stoneking lied, God will openly rebuke him if he refuses to repent. IF he lied. I'll err on Bro Stoneking's side for now.

Where Bro Stoneking said a woman who was raped was at fault, what message? When?
Bro. Cole was a wonderfully true and powerful man of God, but none of the above allows for anyone saying that the 40 wives of Osama were ever Born Again.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:24 AM
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Do you have a link?
http://youtu.be/HFbwhMgmnW4

BTW, I lived in Memphis area and went to several Singles Conferences where Bro Stoneking preached. Among other things I saw a cripple walk without help for the 1st time in years.

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Old 06-20-2012, 11:25 AM
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Though you and I remain miles apart in many respects, I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with this excellent post. I was discussing this very thing with one of my brothers this morning, and I called it, "small-man mentality."

Apostolic Pentecostals in general, not UPCI exclusively, have this mentality, and have for years.

It's the thinking that in order or to make myself seem more important or relevant I must add to the written Word, or say that some celebrity or whoever is "looking our way."

Either we believe what we say we believe or we don't. What we teach is biblical truth or it isn't, and it's just that simple.

I don't need to hear an off the wall claim of a Jewish revival or that the wives of a terrorist were all baptized to cement my belief in Jesus Name baptism.

Furthermore, I don't need to see a pic or video of someone waving their hair over an offering basket to keep me from cutting my hair.

I don't want to hear about how someone laid their hair on someone and they were healed. If I want sensationalism, I can watch a movie. My purpose in listening to a man or woman preach or teach behind a pulpit is in hearing the WORD of God...not some fabricated tale to incite fear in women.

If someone was healed, it is the prayer of the righteous and the stripes that He bore. All glory goes to the Healer...not the hair.

I don't need to hear about the protection that comes from my uncut hair. My sister in law has never cut her hair, but my brother still dropped to the floor at the age of 46 years old. Another sister in law, uncut hair notwithstanding, lost her 20 year old son to diabetes.

Life happens, CC...it rains on the cut haired folks and the uncut folks. God is sovereign, and to take the credit for protection is to once again dismiss His divine hand and will in our lives.

For whatever it is worth, I am very seriously considering writing to Bro. Bernard, and if I do, I want to use your post as a jumping off point. He may not listen or regard what I have to say, but it's worth a try.

There needs to be a purging in the hearts of the people, but it cannot come until there is a purging in the hearts of it's leaders.

How they can stand back and do nothing is beyond my little thinking. Is it because of the reputation and stature of the one spouting this nonsense?

Are they afraid of ruffling feathers in the bonnet of the 'prophet' or his Amen crowd?

And for the record, I absolutely believe in miracles and great outpourings, but in relating the incidents, let us remember to give glory to Whom it is due, and keep the story true.

I'm finished with my rant...may heaven help us all!
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:27 AM
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Thanks for the link.

I was able to watch about half of it.......

Watching some poor people try to order and eat while the church group continued "church".

Of course I get upset when I go out to eat and someone insists on saying grace and evangelizing to all the nearby tables in the process.

Sorry, I am sure some found this video to be uplifting... I found it very disturbing.

(But again, thanks for sending me the link!)

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Old 06-20-2012, 11:41 AM
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BTW, I lived in Memphis area and went to several Singles Conferences where Bro Stoneking preached. Among other things I saw a cripple walk without help for the 1st time in years.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:44 AM
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BTW, I lived in Memphis area and went to several Singles Conferences where Bro Stoneking preached. Among other things I saw a cripple walk without help for the 1st time in years.
Have you ever seen someone go on stage with one leg shorter than the other and watch it be stretched out at one of these conferences?

By the way, was this person walking the next day without help? Or the day after?
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:47 AM
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Bro. Cole was a wonderfully true and powerful man of God, but none of the above allows for anyone saying that the 40 wives of Osama were ever Born Again.
Bro Stoneking was mentored and was contemporaries of those men. The 'HMH' issue was around before either Bro Cole or Bro Barnes passed. I know Bro Barnes didn't take objection to HMH, I heard it preached by another preacher behind the Minden pulpit by a preacher other than Bro Stoneking. Bro Barnes endorsed the message afterward.

As to Ali Baba and his 40 wives, let God sort it out. Bro Stoneking will fall on his face if he knowingly tells a lie he crafted or passes what he knows to be one. However, I'll side with Bro Stoneking until that time.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:49 AM
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Thanks for the link.

I was able to watch about half of it.......

Watching some poor people try to order and eat while the church group continued "church".

Of course I get upset when I go out to eat and someone insists on saying grace and evangelizing to all the nearby tables in the process.

Sorry, I am sure some found this video to be uplifting... I found it very disturbing.

(But again, thanks for sending me the link!)
Well, at least we can be certain that the tips were very good: the HS would have made sure of that!
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:50 AM
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Have you ever seen someone go on stage with one leg shorter than the other and watch it be stretched out at one of these conferences?

By the way, was this person walking the next day without help? Or the day after?
I have, but it wasn't a LS meeting. It was the so-called Prophet Wesley Van Johnson, but that's another story.

And yes, the person was walking fine after, but 'they' tell me there are ways of manipulating that kind of thing.

Not that God can't do that...He can do anything!

It's just that the charlatans and whatnot have made skeptics of many, including this sister.
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God has used me to heal people. Doesn't give me the license to make unsubstantiated claims or come up with whacked out theology.

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