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06-02-2012, 12:33 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
This is an interesting conversation that was shared with me today.
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I will add something on a political nature people haven't gotten yet. People think that Mormons are conservative and so that would make Romney a good choice. They are good business people but that doesn't make them conservative.
Their whole church model, the handling of money, not passing wealth onto your family but giving it to the church when you die, etc, is very socialist. My wife was raised a Mormon and was trying to explain this to me.
It took a bit for me to catch on because they seem so conservative from the outside. Harry Reid is no conservative. Much of what Romney did in Massachusetts is very socialist in nature. People will find out a lot more if he is elected.
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You've got to wake up and pay attention!
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06-03-2012, 03:34 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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This is an interesting conversation that was shared with me today.
You've got to wake up and pay attention!
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Your friend is confused ( or possibly you are confusing what they are saying). While Mormons may be big on giving a lot of money to their church it is quite clear that they are also big believers in their members engaging in captialism /free enterprise to attain money to give to the church.
Most Mormons I know are well educated and either own their own business or have well paying jobs. I don't know any that are welfare mooches.
Again it is clear that Romney is a moderate not a conservative but everybody already knows that.
No matter how you to try to spin it there is no justification for not supporting Romney over Obama. Particularly when you think of all of the lifetime judicial appointments that will be made to the Federal bench and Supreme Court during the next four year term.
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06-03-2012, 05:26 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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Your friend is confused ( or possibly you are confusing what they are saying). While Mormons may be big on giving a lot of money to their church it is quite clear that they are also big believers in their members engaging in captialism /free enterprise to attain money to give to the church.
Most Mormons I know are well educated and either own their own business or have well paying jobs. I don't know any that are welfare mooches.
Again it is clear that Romney is a moderate not a conservative but everybody already knows that.
No matter how you to try to spin it there is no justification for not supporting Romney over Obama. Particularly when you think of all of the lifetime judicial appointments that will be made to the Federal bench and Supreme Court during the next four year term.
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Same as last time I voted against Obama by voting for McCain, I was never for McCain.
Repeat looks to be only choice.
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06-03-2012, 05:29 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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Good for you!!!
Exactly - spot on!
And I certainly do agree with today's comments by Patrick Buchanan - "Does the Romney Republican Party have the courage of its convictions -- to carry out a fiscal program consistent with its conservative philosophy? For when, ever, has the modern GOP done that? "
Lots of good points in this article. He succinctly points out my very thoughts, doubts and questions I've had all along.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51870
Someday we must be brave enough to say - ENOUGH! Regardless of people's insults and bullying, regardless of the media, and regardless of the fear mongering.
Is he Red or is he Blue?
http://romneyfacts.com/redblue.php
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Under no circumstances do I want another 4 years of Obama!!!
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06-03-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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Under no circumstances do I want another 4 years of Obama!!!
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I really don't think you'll have to worry about that. It's looking like you will get Obamalite.
At the end of April, on InTrade, Obama was 22pts ahead of Romney. Today Obama is only ahead by 11 pts. So, the numbers are narrowing. I think you will get Romney, aka Obamalite.
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06-03-2012, 06:26 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
This is funny after Romney's little political speech in front of the Solyandra building. Just thought some might be interested. Okay, maybe I'm confused and you are not.
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Mitt Romney has a Solyndra-like failure in his past, too
Decrying the White House’s decision to give Solyndra a $535 million federal loan as “crony capitalism,” Romney even held a surprise campaign stunt at the Bay Area plant Thursday.
But a day later, a Massachusetts solar panel company that received a state grant while Romney was governor filed for bankruptcy, according to the Boston Herald.
http://www.bayoubuzz.com/politics/ba...ork-daily-news
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06-03-2012, 06:45 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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Originally Posted by CC1
Your friend is confused ( or possibly you are confusing what they are saying). While Mormons may be big on giving a lot of money to their church it is quite clear that they are also big believers in their members engaging in captialism /free enterprise to attain money to give to the church.
Most Mormons I know are well educated and either own their own business or have well paying jobs. I don't know any that are welfare mooches.
Again it is clear that Romney is a moderate not a conservative but everybody already knows that.
No matter how you to try to spin it there is no justification for not supporting Romney over Obama. Particularly when you think of all of the lifetime judicial appointments that will be made to the Federal bench and Supreme Court during the next four year term.
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Mitt Romney Wants a False Prosperity Using His Dad's Failed Policy
Just remember, George Romney punished job creators, small business, when he helped to allow big business and mortgage originators access to global capital markets (hot money), but not small business. Small business owners should be under no false illusion. Mitt Romney will be his dad, and will not be in the camp of small business owners.
The difference between George Romney's time and Mitt Romney's time, of course, is that back then, the US was a sovereign nation able to put a quick stop to easy money shenanigans. That is no longer the case, as the capital markets are now sovereign, or nearly sovereign. Nothing will stop the easy money once the bankers determine the time for another financial attack.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-...#ixzz1wmEkMkmZ
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06-03-2012, 10:15 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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Originally Posted by CC1
Your friend is confused ( or possibly you are confusing what they are saying). While Mormons may be big on giving a lot of money to their church it is quite clear that they are also big believers in their members engaging in captialism /free enterprise to attain money to give to the church.
Most Mormons I know are well educated and either own their own business or have well paying jobs. I don't know any that are welfare mooches.
Again it is clear that Romney is a moderate not a conservative but everybody already knows that.
No matter how you to try to spin it there is no justification for not supporting Romney over Obama. Particularly when you think of all of the lifetime judicial appointments that will be made to the Federal bench and Supreme Court during the next four year term.
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BTW, I checked in with the person that I quoted earlier and this was the response:
"The church is in total control of your life, marriage, finances, etc. Does that sound like a freedom foundation to you? It is the same with inheritance. Everything you accumulate is supposed to go to the church when you die. They are the government, they tell you what the new revelations are and changes in doctrine. The church is basically your total controlling factor in your life. That is a form of socialism."
So, really, I can see why a lot of his policies in Massachusetts were not only Liberal, but Socialistic. He's already said they were going to work with the Healthcare bill. At first he said they would repeal, but that has never been his intention. He wants universal healthcare.
Sorry, I don't see any reason to vote for either candidate.
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06-03-2012, 11:14 PM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
Romney’s Likely Chief Of Staff Is Profiting From Obamacare
The man who has been selected to head up Mitt Romney’s potential transition to president is reaping a profit from a law that Romney has pledged to repeal.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...are/?mobile=nc
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06-04-2012, 07:40 AM
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Re: The Real Delegate Count - it's not over
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BTW, I checked in with the person that I quoted earlier and this was the response:
"The church is in total control of your life, marriage, finances, etc. Does that sound like a freedom foundation to you? It is the same with inheritance. Everything you accumulate is supposed to go to the church when you die. They are the government, they tell you what the new revelations are and changes in doctrine. The church is basically your total controlling factor in your life. That is a form of socialism."
So, really, I can see why a lot of his policies in Massachusetts were not only Liberal, but Socialistic. He's already said they were going to work with the Healthcare bill. At first he said they would repeal, but that has never been his intention. He wants universal healthcare.
Sorry, I don't see any reason to vote for either candidate.
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Just go to some ex-pentecostal websites and you will find those that say the same.
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