Truth Obscured - Page 5

bbyrd009 · #41 05-02-2012, 08:56 PM

Suppose we have what physicists call a two-particle system of zero spin. This means there spins cancel each other; they are phase-locked, or spin-locked--if one is spinning up, the other is spinning down, if the up one has some left spin, the down one will have an equal amt of right spin. No matter how the particlesa are oriented, their spins are always equal and opposite.

Now suppose yuo separate the two particles in some way that does not affect their spin, like electrically. ( I can build and sell you a phase-locked particle separator for...$9.95, no, $19.95, still a huge barg, just holla : ) One particle goes off in one direction, and the other one goes off in the other; at 9X% the speed of light.

Incidentally, you are never, ever, ever, going to get to see a blown-up image of an atom; no matter how strong microscopes get. Every atom that makes up the chair you are sitting on does not exist, in the way you would normally define "exist." There is no dot to see, and as soon as you start looking for one, you turn into a physicist, doing satan's work, sort of, which ends up being chasing God, the very thing he's trying so hard to get away from, which inspiration was the reason for post 1 here. But is certainly not orig to me. Physicists have seen that there is no dot to see.

Anyway, so these two spin locked sub-atomic particles (let's say they're electrons) are now .ox light years apart; we have one trapped in a bubble, and the other one is well past the sun now--I was just wasting time to give it a head-start.

Ok, we can orient the spin of electrons (electron-spin orientation device, $9.95 when you buy the phase-locked particle separator...) with a Stern-Gerlach device, which is not what I will sell you, as it splits beams of electrons either up or down, or left or right, depending on how you have it oriented, and all you really need to do is orient the spin of a single electron, but anyway, you prolly already see where this is going--

If we spin the electron that we have up, the other one, the one past Pluto by now, will be down; if we spin ours left, that one will be spinning right. Etc.
Oh, and when that particle is a zillion light-years away, and we spin ours up, that one will be spinning down...simultaneously, in other words, immediately, no matter where it is. Ya, Einstein didn't buy it either, but there it is. Einstein's theories led him to the inescapable conclusion that this was true, Dr. Bell proved it, and a bunch of them still aren't buying it--but, since we are on our own thought experiment, we are going to assume that it is prolly true if only for the purpose of illuminating how we think, as Bell's T proved something else, below.

You possibly gather intuitively a reflection of God, here, but maybe not. In all my interviews of physicists, I have yet to have one admit that this might even possibly be why a bunch of them still aren't buying it, even the ones that admitted to some belief in a Supreme Being in the carefully selected qualifying questions I would have asked them,
had I actually bothered to interview any.

But the point is, they've seen it and some don't believe it, these guys that know that they know that clocks at light speed stop, at least from the earth-bound pov, even though they are running perfectly. This thing, the phased pair electron thing, is what Bell's Theorem (hereafter BT) proved, using the statistical predictions of quantum mechanics, which are always correct, at least from our pov. But another reality was revealed in Bell's theory, which has been reformulated, repromulgated, etc, to death...vvvmorevvv

bbyrd009 · #42 05-02-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

How can I participate in this exercise when I don't even understand what it is about? I thought I did at first...but felt like I got a lecture from byrd over my answer.

So...

I'll have to go look...

AreYouReady? · #43 05-02-2012, 09:02 PM

Time stoppers at the speed of light?

AreYouReady? · #44 05-02-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I'll have to go look...

Ha! You just proved to me that you are getting old and forgetful too.

bbyrd009 · #45 05-02-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Strangely...I think I understand what you are trying to say.
To answer you though, would take too much time and no one cares anyway.

ah, you provided a great verification! Of exactly what I am not sure, but we are going to see you are exactly right (from your pov) and that I effectively have relatively no idea of what I'm talking about anyway (from your pov), and what you missed so far is only that you, and I, are missing almost everything that applies to our physical world; we've just covered the micro-verse, up there, but Bell's theorem extends to our world, very directly, in a way we will cover next.

We hope to lose our pov, at least a little, sans Tao, as Christians are so panty-bunched there.

bbyrd009 · #46 05-02-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Time stoppers at the speed of light?

Um, ya, it def stoppers, from your pov, and the only reason we can verify this is because we can send a clock up on the shuttle, and it returns with a record, stated in "current time." It also gets shorter and shorter along its axis of momentum, the closer it gets to c (the speed of light), until it disappears, from your pov, but we can't see a record of that, it is just true. Anything going by you at the speed of light that is not massless--which btw, is impossible, at least for us--is invisible to you.

It should come as no surprise that you are surrounded by invisible stuff; you can't see air (until you fog it, or something)--but you are also surrounded by things with "no mass," going at the speed of light, that you can't see, along with the things that you can see (at c), namely photons.

Now, physicists natch have a def of "things with no mass" that differs from someone who believes in Spirit, which I'll leave you to sleep on.

You've made me reveal where we are going here, kinda, so prolly that is your role here. It quite helped, as I honestly had no idea. May have saved us a day. From our pov.

Wanna buy an electron re-configurator? Cheap, good price for you.
Instantaneous universal communications, think about it, you could be the first...

bbyrd009 · #47 05-02-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ha! You just proved to me that you are getting old and forgetful too.

Ha, that, and that was 18 hours ago, and if I described my day, you
would turn into a physicist, prolly.

Ok, BT uncovered something else...
vvvv

bbyrd009 · #48 05-02-2012, 09:36 PM

please see edits at #46, and we'll get to that other thing in the am, ty.

AreYouReady? · #49 05-02-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Um, ya, it def stoppers, from your pov, and the only reason we can verify this is because we can send a clock up on the shuttle, and it returns with a record, stated in "current time." It also gets shorter and shorter along its axis of momentum, the closer it gets to c (the speed of light), until it disappears, from your pov, but we can't see a record of that, it is just true. Anything going by you at the speed of light that is not massless--which btw, is impossible, at least for us--is invisible to you.

It should come as no surprise that you are surrounded by invisible stuff; you can't see air (until you fog it, or something)--but you are also surrounded by things with "no mass," going at the speed of light, that you can't see, along with the things that you can see (at c), namely photons.

Now, physicists natch have a def of "things with no mass" that differs from someone who believes in Spirit, which I'll leave you to sleep on.

You've made me reveal where we are going here, kinda, so prolly that is your role here. It quite helped, as I honestly had no idea. May have saved us a day. From our pov.

Wanna buy an electron re-configurator? Cheap, good price for you.
Instantaneous universal communications, think about it, you could be the first...

So...consider when our body dies, we cannot see our spirit (no mass) but somehow (in our pov) who we were physically is gone, but we really still do exist although others cannot see us? Did our spirit leave at the speed of light? Is there time or did time stop? Would this be why with God, one day for Him is as a thousand years for us?

I think I will pass on that electron re-configurator for now. Not ready to do any experiments that I may not be able to return from.

AreYouReady? · #50 05-02-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Now, physicists natch have a def of "things with no mass" that differs from someone who believes in Spirit, which I'll leave you to sleep on.

You've made me reveal where we are going here, kinda, so prolly that is your role here. It quite helped, as I honestly had no idea. May have saved us a day. From our pov.

Well...glad to have helped...but I'm in the same boat as you...honestly have no idea how...