Privatize Marriage???

[deafdriscoll]

Originally Posted by Aquila

True. But then there is the issue of... if they want to go... do you really want them to stick around just because it's cheaper??? lol

Let them go.

What do you think about this story:

A guy's wife cheated on him and left him. He was told not to divorce her because it wouldn't be seeking reconciliation. She geared up with lawyers and went after him. He didn't have much money at all and couldn't get adequate legal counsel. She made all kinds of false accusations and even called the church into question because of it's practices regarding standards, making it seem like a brain washing cult that advocating the abuse of children. Thousands of dollars were spent by this guy to defend himself and protect his rights with his children. He lost. He has supervised visits with his kids. He's not allowed to discipline them. He's also not allowed to take them to church. He went through pure Hell, lost, and is now saddled with a lot of debt from the divorce.

The system isn't as just as many think. It's very unjust and unbiblical. Why would any Christian in their right mind want to be under it's jurisdiction???

however, when asked about taxes jesus said give to Ceaser what belongs to ceaser and god what belongs to god. all of these things would still happen if you got your way.maybe worse-as a parent might not be allowed to see the kids at all. There would be no legal action one could take because the stae would say- you can not see your children because you gave up the right to have us help you see your kids. ohhhhhhhhhh no. just a point I wish to make. I really do enjoy this topic because it makes me think.

[Rudy]

I vote a private matter. No need for a marriage license. But, down the road to get government benefits one may have to get a license.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

A starting point for something to chew on.

http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html

Interesting...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Aquila - your arguments here are colored by your personal experience.
This is also not worth debating, because it is not going to change.
Just my two cents.

Well... here's my line of thinking... nearly 43% to 45% of couples in America aren't "legally married". Yet they cohabitate. Over 40% of those couples have children in the home, i.e., function as "family units".

Essentially, over half of the family units in America have chosen not to become "married" in the "legal" sense. Sometimes, they do this because one or both partners would loose certain benefits. Sometimes it's because they have been "legally married" before and found the system to be very unjust or unfair and they don't want to subject themselves to the system.

Frankly, one can argue that half of America already agrees with this premise... and are already putting it into practice.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by deafdriscoll

however, when asked about taxes jesus said give to Ceaser what belongs to ceaser and god what belongs to god. all of these things would still happen if you got your way.maybe worse-as a parent might not be allowed to see the kids at all. There would be no legal action one could take because the stae would say- you can not see your children because you gave up the right to have us help you see your kids. ohhhhhhhhhh no. just a point I wish to make. I really do enjoy this topic because it makes me think.

Actually, in a court of law both parents have a right to shared custody of their children unless one surrenders those rights legally... even in cases wherein the couple isn't "legally married".

Please note, it isn't illegal to have a private ceremony and call one another married... it would be illegal to file for your taxes as legally married when your not however. In couple in such an arrangement would no doubt have to file separately.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I vote a private matter. No need for a marriage license. But, down the road to get government benefits one may have to get a license.

True.

[Aquila]

This pastor's third argument as to why Christians should get marriage licenses:

3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral. By obtaining a marriage license, you place yourself under the jurisdiction of Family Court which is governed by unbiblical, immoral laws. Under these laws, you can divorce for any reason. Often, the courts side with the spouse who is in rebellion to God, and castigates the spouse who remains faithful by ordering him or her not to speak about the Bible or other matters of faith when present with the children.

As a minister, I cannot in good conscience perform a marriage which would place people under this immoral body of laws. I also cannot marry someone with a marriage license because to do so I have to act as an agent of the State—literally! I would have to sign the marriage license, and I would have to mail it into the State. Given the State’s demand to usurp the place of God and family regarding marriage, and given its unbiblical, immoral laws to govern marriage, it would be an act of idolatry for me to do so.

Does he have any valid points in this argument???

[Rudy]

The less government involvement in our lives the better to simply put it. I'm in a discussion now over this issue with a lady friend.

I do believe in a public view with witnesses and recorded in a family bible per say. I feel the Body of Christ we are accountable too.

[deafdriscoll]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This pastor's third argument as to why Christians should get marriage licenses:

3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral. By obtaining a marriage license, you place yourself under the jurisdiction of Family Court which is governed by unbiblical, immoral laws. Under these laws, you can divorce for any reason. Often, the courts side with the spouse who is in rebellion to God, and castigates the spouse who remains faithful by ordering him or her not to speak about the Bible or other matters of faith when present with the children.

As a minister, I cannot in good conscience perform a marriage which would place people under this immoral body of laws. I also cannot marry someone with a marriage license because to do so I have to act as an agent of the State—literally! I would have to sign the marriage license, and I would have to mail it into the State. Given the State’s demand to usurp the place of God and family regarding marriage, and given its unbiblical, immoral laws to govern marriage, it would be an act of idolatry for me to do so.

Does he have any valid points in this argument???

I know many cases where the above is not true.Mnay judges have stayed out of the religious partor backed people that I know who have been church going people. A judge has no legal authority to tell someone what they can teach their children.

[Aquila]

Here's the Pastor's fourth argument...

4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority. When you read the Bible, you see that God intended for children to have their father’s blessing regarding whom they married. Daughters were to be given in marriage by their fathers (Dt. 22:16; Ex. 22:17; I Cor. 7:38). We have a vestige of this in our culture today in that the father takes his daughter to the front of the altar and the minister asks, “Who gives this woman to be married to this man?”

Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage. First, you had to obtain your parents’ permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony.

Notice you had to obtain your parents’ permission. Back then you saw godly government displayed in that the State recognized the parent’s authority by demanding that the parents’ permission be obtained. Today, the all-encompassing ungodly State demands that their permission be obtained to marry.

By issuing marriage licenses, the State is saying, “You don’t need your parents’ permission, you need our permission.” If parents are opposed to their child’s marrying of a certain person and refuse to give their permission, the child can do an end run around the parent’s authority by obtaining the State’s permission, and marry anyway. This is an invasion and removal of God-given parental authority by the State.

Does he make any valid points here???