Do Ministers Really Do This?

[Timmy]

"Do ministers really do this?"

I'd guess some do, some don't. Why is there always someone who denies (at least seems to, from the way they post) that any ministers do these kinds of things? I don't see anyone claiming they all do.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

With all due respect Sherri (and youdohave mine!) you are in an organization! With multiple churches in multiple states and countries you are well on your way. ...

Founders of a whole, new denomination! We can say "we knew them when..."

[AreYouReady?]

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Who do ministers consider to be "troublemakers"?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

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Who do ministers consider to be "troublemakers"?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

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Who do ministers consider to be "troublemakers"?

I was going to say Timmy but Timmy beat me to it!

I think you covered it in one of your last posts...

Someone who disagrees with the pastor (and actually says so instead of just sneaking around)
Someone who lives their own convictions (we are very conformance oriented)
Someone who misses church (we are very performance oriented)

I do not think it's about not being a tither. I think pastors are usually glad to get rid of folks that don't pay up. Unless you've had the nerve to admit you don't believe in the tithe... then see number 2.

And there are lots of other reasons. Not being willing to sweep things under the rug. Actually believing that the pastors family should live up to the same standards as the rest of the church. Yep there is more than one way to get yourself into trouble.

[Jay]

I am not going to say that pastors are perfect people (I have personal cause to know better as I have known quite a few). I have watched any number of things happen that should not have happened and had them done to me. However, I believe that the vast majority of pastors are good men, and do not place a burden of perfection on them that they do not deserve.

I am not going to get involved in a bash fest that so many of these threads turn into. Call me what you will, but the ministry is not to be touched, and it is perilous for ministers to engage in attacks on one another. It never ends well.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Look at this sweet innocent looking face. Does it look like the face of a troublemaker?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Jay

I am not going to say that pastors are perfect people (I have personal cause to know better as I have known quite a few). I have watched any number of things happen that should not have happened and had them done to me. However, I believe that the vast majority of pastors are good men, and do not place a burden of perfection on them that they do not deserve.

As long as man is flesh and bones, there are no perfect men or women. We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. While we are told not to place a burden of perfection on them that they do not deserve, the road goes both ways. Some ministers expect perfection from the saints when it comes to obeying all their church rules or they get "sat down".

Originally Posted by Jay

I am not going to get involved in a bash fest that so many of these threads turn into. Call me what you will, but the ministry is not to be touched, and it is perilous for ministers to engage in attacks on one another. It never ends well.

But it is ok for the ministry to "touch" the saints because the saints do not feel led to "obey" ridiculous extra biblical church ordinances?

I am a person who would rather talk things out and come to some sort of agreement, even if it means agree to disagree and stay friends. But some people cannot do this. It has to be done their way or no way.

I do not advocate attacks on anybody, minister or saints. However, the minister , like you said, is not perfect. If he knowingly causes a saint [of whom he disagrees with because they are honest enough to try to discuss the problem with him] to be unwelcome in a church because of his phone call, don't you think that he should know how utterly wrong this action is? Most minister's I have met take suggestions as a personal offense, and some are just flat mean such as talking about the saints in their church over dinner. But then again, I only have experience with these types of people in my little region of a big wide world.

I can only hope to come upon a church that votes in a loving, caring minister that God sent to feed the flock. There was one church 50 miles away that I enjoyed visiting. They left the UPC and endured horrible accusations and rumors such as "wife swapping" and other mean stuff. They are gone from the area now as far as I know.

The only ones within the area are sons, son-in- laws and grandsons from the older generation who handed down the church to them like it was a business or something. The other two pastor's left in the area ain't gonna make waves because they are outnumbered by the rest.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jay

I am not going to say that pastors are perfect people (I have personal cause to know better as I have known quite a few). I have watched any number of things happen that should not have happened and had them done to me. However, I believe that the vast majority of pastors are good men, and do not place a burden of perfection on them that they do not deserve.

I am not going to get involved in a bash fest that so many of these threads turn into. Call me what you will, but the ministry is not to be touched, and it is perilous for ministers to engage in attacks on one another. It never ends well.

I'm not 'bashing' anybody... but do you ever wonder WHY threads turn into bashing pastors if that is what you want to call it?

I think that anytime someone sets them selves on a pedestal they have further to fall.

If ministers were truly servants and love their flock how many 'bashings' do you really think there would be. I for one can never see myself saying an unkind word about someone like that. But the pastor I sat under for so many years has already been described by me in detail... I have no reason to come on here and lie... and others have shared lists of burdens that were put on the people that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught... Come on 'no open toed shoes'???? Jesus wore sandals. No beards... really? Some times it is laugh or cry.

These men who treat their congregants as if they were deserving of zero respect or even of an opinion and then extort their living from them do deserve disdain. And the people who suffer under then deserve someone to tell them that it is OK to break away, that they will not be struck dead where they stand as they have been told.

I broke away. I am glad. My family did not break up, my children did not get sick, I did not die. God still loves me and I still love Him. Somebody needs to hear that because some pastor somewhere has told them that if they do anything against his wishes or even speak unkindly of the 'man of god' to their own spouse or dearest friend those things and worse will befall them. And they are paralyzed with fear... and that is not of God.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Look at this sweet innocent looking face. Does it look like the face of a troublemaker?