Would an hour at the altar be enough rehab for a child-molesting Sunday School teacher, then back on the job next week? A second time, third time, fourth time, etc.?
I. Don't condone either, but you are talking apples and oranges IMO.
One being between two consenting adults vs an innocent child. Big difference to me.
Neither one is right.
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I agree with you! One thing I can say I don't think anyone would want to confess to an affair whether it is a minister or not. I don't even think that most people would be fine confessing any sin. There isn't a true "rehab" stage to go through other than falling in the altar and crying for an hour and speaking in tongues. But because there is so much judgment and so little grace that why would anyone feel comfortable confessing anything?
I don't think confessing to sexual sin is supposed to be comfortable! The point is that it would be a lot easier to believe preachers involved in adultery were actually sorry and repentant if they actually became so before they were caught.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I. Don't condone either, but you are talking apples and oranges IMO.
One being between two consenting adults vs an innocent child. Big difference to me.
Neither one is right.
Is forgiveness and restoration for real? If so, then why wouldn't a child-molester be forgiven and restored (aside from the jail-time issue) over and over and over and over again? Why shouldn't the children and their parents forgive over and over and over, seventy times seven times?
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I don't think confessing to sexual sin is supposed to be comfortable! The point is that it would be a lot easier to believe preachers involved in adultery were actually sorry and repentant if they actually became so before they were caught.
Sorry. I wasn't trying to say it should be comfortable. I was saying that one should feel that if they have messed up and need to seek help that there is a place full of grace and mercy for them to go to, but that doesn't exist in this movement.
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Sorry. I wasn't trying to say it should be comfortable. I was saying that one should feel that if they have messed up and need to seek help that there is a place full of grace and mercy for them to go to, but that doesn't exist in this movement.
As I said in an earlier post that place does exist if you have the right last name in this movement!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Is forgiveness and restoration for real? If so, then why wouldn't a child-molester be forgiven and restored (aside from the jail-time issue) over and over and over and over again? Why shouldn't the children and their parents forgive over and over and over, seventy times seven times?
The issue isn't forgiveness... it's trust.
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I will forgive these men, be a friend to them, call them brother, BUT I am not going to submit myself to one of these guys ministry unless they have proven themselves again over a number of years. Lucky for them there are a lot of people who don't think like I do and bow to the cult of personality. Those folks will follow these guys no matter what they do or how many times they do it because they are dazzled by their personality and possibly oratory skills.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
As I said in an earlier post that place does exist if you have the right last name in this movement!
Perhaps. But also if you have the right last name in this movement it might not ever get out to the "public" other than in a message at BOTT "I have a man that is accountable to me and has been dealing with 'x' and because he is always checking in with me and I am always checking in with him he is able to get a hold of his temptation and....blah, blah, blah..." You get the picture.
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Jack Shephard.
Ok a Minister who HAS committed adultery can be restored to the ministry. What about a Minister who was faithful and has NOT committed adultery or fornication who has had two women commit adultery against him? Now he has been married to a woman who has been faithful to him for 15 years. Is he out of the Ministry for good and the one who committed adultery is still in the Ministry?
The issue isn't forgiveness... it's trust.
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