Are these folk Christian

[deafdriscoll]

The facts of life are often hard and confusing.
The orginal constitution if I remember right said it was illegal for the state to make you buy something. The wording is different.
Not everybody has to buy car insurance-only those who drive.
You have a choice you can refuse medical treatment.
Not one of you have the right to even think that somebody has to buy health insurance.
freedom of choice must be protected at all cost. I have med. insurance but will not see the doctor because they charge too much.
I have med. insurance in case I am caught in a problem where I can not make a decision. my living will says 3 days life support then cut it. period. We should teach people to make living wills that specify what they want done to themselves.
If I had cancer I would refuse treatment and make peace with God about the matter. I would be happy to go to heaven - shouldn't you????????
Deafdriscoll

[Amanah]

I have Insurance

I had breast cancer two years ago

w/o treatment I would have died

I'm glad I'm not dead atm

This Oct 27th, I'm running the Space Coast Half Marathon with my Sister, she is glad I'm not dead.

Also, my husband and dog are happy I'm around.

Cant have it both ways, if people want health care, they need to get health insurance, or we need to come up with some other kind of system that everyone pays into and everyone benefits from.

Maybe we can write a 10,000 page bill on the subject and then pass it so people have time to read it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by citizen

We dont know if it was teapartiers shouting/clapping for the idea of 'letting the young uninsured fellow die'. It could have been liberal plants - but I doubt it.
But the spirit throughout audience (teaparty sponsored debate) seemed to be lacking something. It was spooky.

Once again, Citizen didn't bother to give a source or a link. But without Citizen bothering to support his/her rants, I saw the video and it sounded like I could hear one clear "Yeah" out of a sea of people.

And that one "yeah", for all we know, may have just been saying "yeah, what about that Ron? Do we let them die?" not answering the question FOR Ron

The audience now has a Spirit that Citizen discerned? Citizen what was that spirit? Where you there?

BTW I hear Tea Party people are racists...but noticed a black woman in the audience cheering Wolf Blitzer's qiuestion...was she a tea party member? Was she cheering because she is tired of paying for someone elses health care? Or was she cheering because she had wanted to hear this question addressed? What was her spirit since you must have been there to know

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Assuming that the person was a Tea Party member, there are extremists in every group. That person DOESN'T speak for the entire group. No doubt, some folk sitting next to him strongly disagreed. The Tea Party is a varied group that believes strongly in individual liberties. One is the liberty to be as extreme as you wish (though such a one will not get far politically).

Right but still we don't even know it was a Tea Party person. It would not be the first time the opposition has used plants to try to make one side look bad

And we also don't know if the "yeah" was that person trying to answer for Ron Paul the question of just letting them die or if that person was just saying "Yeah, Ron, do we just let them die?"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Very true. But how do we resolve this? It's REALLY a difficult issue.

We can close tax loopholes for the rich. Stop taxing and feeing and penalizing businesses for doing business that give or keep more jobs in the US...doing so will create more jobs.

More jobs means more people getting health coverage or at least being able to buy coverage. More jobs means more tax payers.

Work to reduce inflation and the devaluing of the American dollar.

The problem is, and this is the conspiracy theorist in me, all that is by design.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Obviously there is no proof they were "Christian".

I get the feeling that the person was being extreme. But they could have meant they wanted to know too.

I got the feeling Citizen was being extreme and misrepresenting the facts.

We don't know anything other than what the question was, to whom and that someone said "yeah" other than the candidate (who sort of avoided the question)

[Aquila]

The way I see it, we’re paying for the uninsured one way or another.

When the uninsured can’t pay their medical expenses, the health care providers increase cost to make up for the loss. To cover the increased cost, insurers increase insurance premiums. This passes the cost down to the insured.

In a national insurance program EVERYONE is required to pay into the system. This allows for providers to be paid and premiums to drop. So while taxes increase, premiums bottom out, making up for the cost difference.

The argument is that costs can drop even further when health insurance is centralized and corporate bureaucracy is eliminated.

So the question isn’t about who will pay for the uninsured, because either way we are; the question is - What is the most affordable way to pay for the uninsured?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We can close tax loopholes for the rich. Stop taxing and feeing and penalizing businesses for doing business that give or keep more jobs in the US...doing so will create more jobs.

More jobs means more people getting health coverage or at least being able to buy coverage. More jobs means more tax payers.

Work to reduce inflation and the devaluing of the American dollar.

The problem is, and this is the conspiracy theorist in me, all that is by design.

But is it a responsibility of business to provide health insurance?

Providing health insurance is a MAJOR expense for businesses. If we did move to a national health insurance program, businesses would be freed from that responsibility and could focus on doing business. I know some major businesses who moved to countries wherein there is a national insurance program to cut those costs. A major scram card company in Ohio moved to Toronto Canada, and that was a big factor.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Aquila

But is it a responsibility of business to provide health insurance?

Providing health insurance is a MAJOR expense for businesses. If we did move to a national health insurance program, businesses would be freed from that responsibility and could focus on doing business. I know some major businesses who moved to countries wherein there is a national insurance program to cut those costs. A major scram card company in Ohio moved to Toronto Canada, and that was a big factor.

Neither is it the responsibly of the Government to provide Health Care (or even constitutional). Benefits started out in the Corporate Environment to draw and keep good workers on your staff. Now if people are not covered 100% by their employer they think they are being done wrong.

1) If you think that Government is the key, you are wrong. Most Medicare payments are 1/5th of what the insurance pay.
2) The cost of Health Care has risen at a very high rate. This is usually due at lot of Government Regulations, Restrictions and Bureaucracy.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

But is it a responsibility of business to provide health insurance?

Providing health insurance is a MAJOR expense for businesses. If we did move to a national health insurance program, businesses would be freed from that responsibility and could focus on doing business. I know some major businesses who moved to countries wherein there is a national insurance program to cut those costs. A major scram card company in Ohio moved to Toronto Canada, and that was a big factor.

Businesses provide health benefits already without being required by law