Pastors

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Do you obey your Godly Pastor?

Hebrews 13
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

How do you get "Pastor" (singular) from the verse you've cited? "Them" and "they" are plural here. It was never intended to be a one man show.

[BrotherEastman]

My pastor is a great man!!!!!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How do you get "Pastor" (singular) from the verse you've cited? "Them" and "they" are plural here. It was never intended to be a one man show.

Pel, who is that in your avatar?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Let's cut to the chase. Did you imply in this thread that because people ought to obey pastors then they ought not buck standards a pastor proposes? Yes or no. That is not a judgment but a strong suspicion.

No response to this yet. Interesting.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Their pastor

How high up the chain does it go? What if a pastor has no pastor?

[in1accord]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Is it safe to assume that anyone who disagrees with one's own pastor is a false prophet? If we accept his teachings as scripture, knowing the scriptures themselves teach obedience to him, how can anyone else be "right" too?

Not sure that disagreeing with what the pastor teaches would qualify someone to be called a false prophet.

I guess the question is...do the scriptures support the teaching of the pastor or do they support the individual that's in disagreement with the pastor?

Pastors really can't just make up stuff on their own to teach...they are required to teach & preach the Word. If the pastor's not preaching & teaching the Word, it would be advisable to find somewhere else to worship.

**Run and don't look back!**

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Referring to things like smoking and drugs that the bible does not specify is a ruse, I think. The goal is to get people to do things that are nowhere near the category of abusing their bodies with toxins. They are trying to get people to dress a certain way, for the most part. That is what all these sorts of threads are pointing to -- supporting standard keeping. No pants on women and no makeup, jewelry, etc. So do not use the smoking and drugs thing.

The bible gives common sense principles to abide by. regarding the undergirding spirit of standards that this thread is really about, God gave a principle that applies to every culture and generation in Deut 22.:5. Men dress like men and women dress like women. He did not dictate what the mode should be because God was relying on culture to determine that. IOW, he mentioned nothing about pants. This is how the bible gives PRINCIPLES. The bible said to not abuse the body, too. That covers obvious abuses like smoking and drugs, etc. But it is abuse of the bible. speaking of abuse, to say the bible teaches pants on men alone unless the culture of the day generally prohibited pants on women. Let's not discard the basic common sense of biblical PRINCIPLES, nor confuse details into them that are not there..

EXCELLENT POST!

[Praxeas]

I'll say it again..Pastors with that much power is a reciple for disasters on part with Jim Jones who lead his congregations to sell all, move to a remote location and then commit suicide and Earl Paulk who was doing have his female congregations including the wives of other men

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Pel, who is that in your avatar?

Just pretend it's me! It captures the way I've been feeling lately.

... (actually, I dunno. It's a stock photo from sometime around the 1930s. I posted it in response to RandyWayne's use of avatars).