Born Gay? Or God's Call?

[tamor]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I'm very much informed about the subject of "familiar spirits." The homosexual is very much aware of something they call "gaydar." They recognize someone with a "familiar spirit" when that person is still involved in similar sins.

I'm I to believe that you feel that once a homosexual always a homosexual by what you wrote above? What we need as a body of believers is to seek the Lord and have him remove the preconceived ideas of people that have came out of lifestyles that we have no knowledge of...

If we don't walk in the knowledge of Christ the consequences could become very dire for many who need to be seen as children of God and not a hopeless case.

No Chosen, I do not believe once a homosexual always a homosexual no more than I believe once an addict always an addict. That is a stupid statement because the Word of God says that I am made new through Him. And I do not think that a person who has struggled with a certain sin or issue will never be able to counsel or work with people dealing with that same issue. But I do believe there should be a time element and that those counseling sessions should be covered with much prayer as the spirits like to hitchhike and if they find any open door they are going to jump through them.

I know that what Satan means for harm, God can make good and alot of our best counselors, teachers, deliverance ministries, etc come from people who have walked in the shoes of the people that they are counseling. BUT, it is not overnight.

It's just like ILG stated about being careful who she "talked to" when she was dealing with certain issues, people need to use good old fashioned WISDOM when working with other folks.

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

chosen,

In Tamor's defense, I can vouch that she does not believe "once a homosexual always a homosexual."

Thank you, Berk.

[Rhoni]

Chosen,

So proud of you.

Love & Blessings, Rhoni

[Scott Hutchinson]

Thank God for the work he has done in Chosen's life.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by ILG

Apology accepted.

As far as you being asexual, I think if you have a homosexual past I don't know that you could be considered asexual. A person who was asexual would be someone who has had no sexual feelings.

Language is an interesting thing. I think everyone should be creeped out by sexual sins. If they are not, I find that troublesome. I think it is more likely that they would be offended by what they THOUGHT I said rather than what I actually said. They would be assuming that I would be creeped out by they, themselves, when in effect, I said no such thing. I'm not sure I can take any responsibility for that. I think people involved in certain sins in the past sometimes read things into what people say. Sometimes people actually are nasty and militant, but unfortunately hurt and pain can cloud what people think other people say and they can be hurt by things that were never said in the first place.

I know that many people can't understand someone stating they were asexual, because most people have a strong sexual drive. I never had that drive even before I became sick. It never was something I needed or for that matter wanted in my life.

I found being celibate was really what suited my life more than having a sexual relationship. I did walk away from God for three years for a homosexual relationship, which was how I contracted HIV. I hated sex during that relationship and actually ended up having my own bedroom, because I had issues with intimacy. That didn't spare me from contracted HIV, which actually created even more of an aversion toward sex.

I don't believe I read anything other than what was written when you used the word "creeped" out. I don't even think of sex, but I wouldn't use creeped out in a discussion regarding sexual sins.

I guess that's why we all are created so unique so that we can learn from each other with respect. I wasn't hurt earlier by any comments made on this thread. Between trying to keep up with this thread and two people sending PMs and with not feeling very well, I started having a lot of anxiety and near the end my head was just swimming.

I'm feeling better after I was able to lie down for awhile and I wanted to make sure you were alright. I didn't mean to upset you earlier and I hope you have a good evening.

chosen

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by tamor

No Chosen, I do not believe once a homosexual always a homosexual no more than I believe once an addict always an addict. That is a stupid statement because the Word of God says that I am made new through Him. And I do not think that a person who has struggled with a certain sin or issue will never be able to counsel or work with people dealing with that same issue. But I do believe there should be a time element and that those counseling sessions should be covered with much prayer as the spirits like to hitchhike and if they find any open door they are going to jump through them.

I know that what Satan means for harm, God can make good and alot of our best counselors, teachers, deliverance ministries, etc come from people who have walked in the shoes of the people that they are counseling. BUT, it is not overnight.

It's just like ILG stated about being careful who she "talked to" when she was dealing with certain issues, people need to use good old fashioned WISDOM when working with other folks.

I agree with you wrote here. I apologize if I misconstrued what you were trying to state earlier.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by ILG

Apology accepted.

As far as you being asexual, I think if you have a homosexual past I don't know that you could be considered asexual. A person who was asexual would be someone who has had no sexual feelings.

Language is an interesting thing. I think everyone should be creeped out by sexual sins. If they are not, I find that troublesome. I think it is more likely that they would be offended by what they THOUGHT I said rather than what I actually said. They would be assuming that I would be creeped out by they, themselves, when in effect, I said no such thing. I'm not sure I can take any responsibility for that. I think people involved in certain sins in the past sometimes read things into what people say. Sometimes people actually are nasty and militant, but unfortunately hurt and pain can cloud what people think other people say and they can be hurt by things that were never said in the first place.

I was always disgusted after an act. Is that similar to being creeped out, as you put it?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by tamor

Thank you, Berk.

de nada

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Thank God for the work he has done in Chosen's life.

Amen!

[tamor]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I agree with you wrote here. I apologize if I misconstrued what you were trying to state earlier.

Apology accepted.